This idea started at the office when i was talking about kanye. I love him and you hate kanye. So we were like we should do a cancer culture middle ground yeah. We thought it was really important to bring other topics like pop culture to middle ground.

So let us know in the comments below what you want us to talk about as always enjoy the episode bye. I'm done with you get out of here like, but that's in your opinion, i'm not saying i'm before our kelly. I just think if you support him. You're a dick right, yeah and then it's their right to be a dick.

We brought the pro and anti-kindle coach individuals together to spark a dialogue about their differences in similarities. Yeah you guys killer is the price of no longer supporting people, especially celebrities or products that are regarded as problematic guys this this time this time. That's that's incorrect, though, because the definition is incorrect, though cancer culture, i i think, i think, is having something problematic and and trying to sway public opinion into cutting its avenues to self-sustain or to to remove their voice or their impact order. Hello.

My name is adeeb. Khadir i have a computer science degree and i'm a product manager in the tech industry, um hi, i'm will court, i'm a music student at usc hi, i'm joy villa i'm a singer-songwriter and i'm anti-cancer culture hi, i'm lindsey riebling guys give a chance. You guys give a chance to talk and i'm pro-ish cancel culture more on this side. But i'm looking forward to this conversation, hi, i'm seth, fowler, a law, school graduate and teacher.

I am pro-cancer culture hi, my name is alana. I am a student, a history student and i'm pro-cancer culture, culture to the left and my anti-cancer culture is right, guys you guys, as my favorite video structure. My thing is that i'm i'm pro but like if this is all the lines i'm like on the first line of like a little bit pro because of how overwhelmingly negatively it's been used and done and how historically it's been, it's been, it's been done poorly, but The concept at its core is still good and and and a decent thing. The problem is how it's used, though that's a problem, i would buy an artist's work, even if they committed a violent crime.

That's not hard. Humans are a series of impulses. The answer is, yes, everybody does that if everybody does literally every single person whether they like it or not, has done this it's on a spectrum of time like we are constantly changing, we're constantly, don't say: no, no, no! You having the radio on you you tuning to a radio station that plays a song that that person did something bad in their past. No, i didn't buy it.

No! No! Don't don't don't don't be backwards about this? Okay. You always say that that consuming something is supporting something yeah that is bought, that is absolute 100. That company is paying rights and licenses to these 3d, but these and the record labels right and and based on how people watch they pay certain amounts and when you tune in you're accounted in the analytics. You are a direct contributor to these amounts.

100. When you consume, you are part of it. End of story constantly evolving have any of you ever honestly, never not told the lie in your life. Of course we've all been.

So are you a liar today? No not today, so that moment that you told a lie. You can't be blanketed as a liar the rest of your life. I think the issue with cancer culture is it's kind of like this, like you have a cut on your arm, let's just chop the whole arm off when you bring up the amount of people that work on some of these projects, like think of, like a harvey Weinstein movie right, he did terrible things. I would you can't live in a society.

If you don't want to support, you know what i mean. I don't want to support harvey weinstein, but most of his victims are people that were in his movies by not supporting a harvey weinstein movie you're, also not supporting his victims, so it's kind of like you're in a weird spot, but you can't bring down the kingpin Without bringing down the organization today's your day, so he said something very interesting to me about like the whole cutting off the arm and that to fix a cut, and i feel like the exact opposite, because when you talk about how like oh, if you're canceling people, This is, i think, you wouldn't like it. If you got cancelled, though dude do you think, do you think that evan well i've been the target of of cancel andy's for years? Did i hate? Excuse me? I made the stream basically that fact itself also today is whiteboard, kicked out of the washington post literally being canceled. That's it that's as close as you get from being cancelled, they have good inventions, it's like there's, so many smart people that aren't toxic and it's like when you cancel someone that is toxic.

It's sending the message to other toxic people. You cannot get away with this. What do we know dude? I? I lost a big stream of revenue right, i lost my appearance there i lost my housing and i lost health insurance all of it overnight, whatever i think of it like, i have the right to stop this and if other people want to do that also - and We bond together, like the powers in our hands, and i feel like for me, i'm doing my part not choosing not to like mess with that person anymore yeah. I was going to ask you a question, though: do you feel like you should be the one making the decision, or do you feel like youtube or spotify, should make the decision for you and take down people who they feel like offended a certain segment of the Population, i think it's it's it's two separate things like.

I think i should have the power to make that decision. Of course, that's a very personal thing for me, but your music should be continued to be sold and available. I personally don't think so. Just don't listen to it, don't buy it.

You yourself, absolutely every individual has the right to say: hey, i don't like this and you can even tweet about and say no but then to start a boycott. That's why i don't do boycotts. People have different morals. I personally have the right: i withhold the right, i think all of us do to not go and support these people.

We don't believe in. I would never tell you, wait, i'm going to go, see xyz movie and you have to too. If you say no, you have that right. What cancel culture does is saying: i'm not going to see this person, because i don't like this person and nobody else should either and that's why i hate it: okay, sh that whatever pencil culture is out, you know what that that was.

That was decent, though that was that's up for sure. I could take it yeah, that's true control! Okay, when it started, i think it was a good thing. It's like a me, too movement, good thing, but when you get the court of public opinion involved, i tell you it becomes so horrible. I am an artist.

I've legitimately hit number one on billboard, people think! Oh, i don't run my social media. I absolutely do. I read comments. I respond even negative ones.

When people say i hope you die, somebody should kill your family. You should get raped so that you, you have a baby legitimately, and you can i mean it. Is online bullying cancel culture. Uh rationally uh is overall a net positive.

I think, but there are sects of cancer culture like the uh toxic people, that issue the death threats and, of course those need to be excised. Cancer culture originated out of compassion. The voice for the voiceless uh being able to vote with your wallet, make a stand. Yeah your little retweet your little like turning things back guys.

I don't think the hurtful comments are so challenging culture, the movements and and the the role that one gets scene, something that like strikes, fear in my heart right now what's happening now is you know, people are essentially choosing for you whether you should be it's like. It's like, let's say you wanted to uh boycott coca-cola okay. I said this before. I said it again: okay, nothing! If you decide to stop doing something: okay, you're self-canceling, stop stop blaming things! That's just something imagine if stores started taking nike shoes out of this, my games are full of dog.

I get i get morons. I get a bunch of insults if i say guys, i'm done streaming it because i because i because i get bad comments, am i can. I say i got cancelled, of course, not that's what the is wrong before you could even make the decision as a people to buy it or not buy it, and we need to have the right and, and the option at our level does not have that right Too yeah, i don't think that they're trying to make you not buy the product. I think that they're saying as a company, we do not agree with this, so we're not going to sell your product here when record labels stop playing their music or whatever.

I feel like it's justified specifically for vic. She said what agree with this. So we're not going to sell your product here when record labels stop playing their music or whatever. I feel like it's justified specifically for victims, because when it gets out that that person did something like that, their music skyrockets and for the victim seeing that they're getting so much support for that.

And then, once the cases are over, then sure you could play their music more if they are innocent, but it's also like the justice system. What what? How is that? Just that's just a mental disconnect dude you did and many people could use this as a weapon right. Oh guys, this guy - oh let's say uh, he's my ex and he's making a new music. I'm gon na make an alligator today he's just false right and as soon as he hits the algorithms and starts going up on it up in uh in popularity, i'm gon na cancel it right.

Then we're gon na lose a trial and then and then, when it comes back, nobody wants to listen to the song, because it's not the it's not anything in the algorithm. It's not going to now that nobody cares. I got him dude. I was wrong.

It is what it is right. What the is that honestly? I've said this before, like. I think the pendulum has swung the other direction and like yes, maybe it's getting a little string, but i also think sometimes that's necessary for change for so long. We let everyone get away with everything, and there was she said, play the song.

Add the trial is over or whatever what what? If what, if they're, acquitted and and it wasn't true, then what did they get reparations? Did they get? They get uh? Well, what what one voice is part of the conversation, and it was like right - and it was mostly like white men back in the day versus now, we have a platform where everyone can share their opinion. You're, like hey. That makes me uncomfortable and i think some people are going to have to be made examples of in order to set precedent and what's acceptable because us, our generation and people don't use people, don't use kindle culture as a vehicle for for anything proven guilty. They use it to push the the guilty of the innocent.

It's a it's backwards, don't use it like that. Don't judge that should hold celebrities accountable when the justice system fails yeah but yeah. But what do you know, though? Hey friends, hey as much as it's true, though sometimes r kelly is the first name that comes to mind because he has sex tapes that show his face and people are still like. He didn't do it.

We love r kelly. He would never and most of the time when it's a celebrity being convicted, they can always buy their way out. That's exactly what came to mind for me too immediately. I was just like like asking this book.

First of all, how many times oh yeah, you joined the team. How many times in, like the united states justice system have we seen guilty people get off innocent and you find off years later that that happened. If the justice system doesn't come through, we as a people shouldn't just take that and be like okay. Well, i guess he's innocent like no.

He did that and let's take away his platform and we will take that power away from him. The justice system is so. It's just so imperfect, it's unbelievable and i think that situations i don't know the context. I think that the justice system in those situations have failed.

If we don't support the justice system a little bit, then it's kind of anarchy, but at the same time i think that it's an individual decision as the individual has the right to kind of not not support them, or you know to do whatever they want to Do you know, i don't think we should like show up at his house and like beat him up yeah, no, there's nothing extreme, nothing extreme sure. If the gesture fails, what's important and what's happening now is that we do look at replacing whether it's the district attorney or whatever the system is that's causing it to fail. People should go and address this, so the next millions of people that go through that system go through a just system. I think we all completely agree with that, like the justice system needs to be fixed, but i do think the reason canceled culture started and when it originally derived was because okay, what if somebody makes, does a crime and then goes to jail and then comes up And makes music? Are they gon na hold it all all that against them for the rest of their lives or whatever? Then you know what then wha? What wasn't he robbed that robbed something way back when when the jail comes back and then makes music and then, oh, my god, you see nope, you know what you know.

If you don't support that, that's fine, you know but but but i think i i just wait everybody to say no you're a bad person. If you buy that music. That's, i don't think. That's right! That's that takes so long, like our entire government and justice system to like evolve into your idealistic view of it is not happening next year, where i think we're making change.

I think it's happening, but i think our generation that spawned cancer culture was like. We don't have time right. We have the same problems with cancer cultures. We do with the justice system.

There's a lot of people that got they um got the death penalty right, we're giving people the their careers the death penalty by public. You know and kicking him out forever and saying we never want you back right. Are we because i've cancelled the nfl since congressman what, if they're wrong, but what, if we're wrong, if it was accountable culture i'd be on that side? That's why i think he doesn't understand it, you doing something doesn't cancel it. It has to be everybody that does things that make it cancelled.

If you want a boycott, then boycott it, but don't get mad that it's not being cancelled because you or you're boycotting it. That's just that. What's that thing cancel when i cancel you, you don't exist. It's deleted by i canceled facebook, netflix hulu, youtube, facebook, amazon and nice place.

I got it because i could look earmuffs and get out of here. No more money, we're done with them. Just as imperfect as the justices but r kelly, bye, i'm done with you get out of here like, but that's your opinion, i'm not saying i'm before our our kelly, but i still don't want all his music erased like all of a sudden. It's like he's guilty before court of law.

Even people i don't support. I still want them to go to the justice system because fairness matters we've already been through this throughout history. I just think if you support him you're a dick right yeah and then it's their right to be a dick, but it's their right and it's our right to hate them, and it's all right. That's first amendment right, council, culture, it runs uh, i would say codependently with activism and as activism has changed, we're able to operate.

I think i think hating is a it's an extremely strong word. I don't think you should say hating it and you should dislike and not hate it quicker. It's a very strong word mobilize quicker. I try not to digital space.

It's almost in some senses. It's like digital activism, but i like compassionate cancer culture. If you look at the history of somebody and you look at how somebody responds when confronted and you make your decision based off of whether they've seen any type of error and applied any type of value judgment, then i think it's totally your right, whether or not To support them interesting - okay, just i i i don't have food's here: okay chat: let's watch a okay tonight.