You're not board certified correct, no, i'm not not in clinical psychology or in forensic psychology correct. No, i'm a licensed clinical psychologist, but you're not board certified. No okay, and you also have only been trust me guys. I don't need two males.

Oh no! No top left! Busted top left busting uh; no, no, no, no top left bus there, top left, busted uh be on the board, who gives a shitty on the board or not? Is that correct? That's not correct how many years i've been licensed for 10 years. Okay and i've been practicing for about 15 years. Okay, you went to mr depp's home for dinner and drinks before you were hired as an expert in this case correct. That's not quite what right i was interviewed, because i feel like she's, my guys, i don't be weird.

I think she's way more attractive and uh cool sounding that than his his girlfriend. If it was me, i'm not gon na say it. Mr depp's home by his legal team dinner was served and the dinner lasted approximately three to four hours. Correct, yes, and it includes correct yes dinner and i believe guys guys guys i would have dumped the witch and copped an upgrade.

Don't care said it drinks were served. Okay and don't you think, that's a little odd that you're getting interviewed by mr depp to decide whether you're going to testify firstly against amber hurd. I was interviewed by the legal team and mr his home correct. Yes, and he was serving dinner and drinks.

He was not serving dinner. Well, it was at his house at his behest correct. Yes, it was at his house - okay, what's it lagging for at that time, you not only knew johnny depp you'd, seen a number of his tv and movie roles and you guys were lagging. This is the doctor who gave an exam of amber heard.

This is worth watching her whole testimony. Will you watch her entire testimony on stream believed he was a good actor correct, not correct. I did not know johnny depp. I agree.

Okay, it's it's chad, it's breaking! It look nothing anymore and you believed he was a good app. Uh mazzie has not fixed that, where my my it's just it just it's just glitched up like chat is draining the my the the it's just uh. How do you fix that? Do i just open another chat in another tab and leave this one just to save it? Yes, okay and then you provided an expert designation in this case before ever, seeing amber or having an opportunity to review any documents or records. Isn't that correct? I did not provide an expert designation.

That's that's an attorney thing. My opinions are contained in my report. This was plaintiff's designation, identification of expert witnesses in this case, and this is dated february 2021. That's a a year after you went to dinner at mr depp's.

That's correct guys: why aren't they doing like objections guys? Isn't she just making a statement here guys she's making a statement while looking at the at the jury, and then she ends up with a question mark went to dinner? How was that? How was that? A question? 21, that's a year after you went to dinner at mr depp's house, correct, yes, okay and it attributes. If you go to that, stop you guys guys you can't like it. It says you have three opinions. The first of those is that amber heard quote exhibits patterns of behavior that are consistent with co-occurring cluster b personality disorder traits, especially borderline personality disorder.

Did i get that right? I'm reading that here? That is not my opinion. Okay! Well, but it's a current opinion, but this was not an opinion of mine, then i didn't have any opinions at that time. Are you aware that mr is on an audio recording years earlier? Taunting amber heard that she has a borderline personality disorder? I was made aware of that in this case. Yes, so you did actually not necessarily taunting, but i do recall hearing that mr depp had used that phrase.

So it's a coincidence that you now think she has those attributes after the attorneys listed it in february 2021. Before you'd, look for what i think and mr deb had made that accusation to me - that is a stress. My opinions. Aren't it's a coincidence, then that you came up with symptoms of borderline personality disorder years later after mr depp has been taunting his heard in an audio tape.

I can't speak to whether or not there's a coincidence, but i can tell you is my opinions are based on the results of my objectivation, guys, she's good holy guys. I feel like somebody that isn't that smart would have would have gotten crushed by this. I know that it's the law, the lawyer, is warning, it very weirdly and it's kind of annoying a question you're kind of like judging her for asking it, but i could definitely see a lot of people failing this and getting crushed under that question. For sure, would you agree that a disproportionate number of women are tagged with a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder? No, that's not quite right and trauma can cause you, because how do you dispel uh the fact that it's a coincidence and answer the question? At the same time, i think that was pretty hard personality disorders campaign.

Let me remember, let me be back a little bit trauma can cause borderline personality disorders canton. No now you've never been asked to testify or serve as an expert with respect to whether someone has a bipolar disorder. Is that correct, a bipolar disorder? Yes, that's not correct. Okay, jesus heard repeatedly and characterologically perpetuated severe physical and psychological, intimate partner violence ipv toward mr depp over the course of their relationship.

End of quote: did i read that correctly uh, it says perpetrated, but other than that? Yes exhibits patterns of behavior. That suggest her allegations of abuse against mr depp are false. End of quote. Do you see that i see that you said it's my third opinion.

That is not my opinion all right, but in this pleading it says that you will testify to that correct. Yes, that's what this says: okay, and that was not your opinion in february 2021. Was it no. As i said, i had not formed any opinions at that time.

I had just been retained and you answered at that time. No correct that is correct and then i asked have you ever arrived at that opinion in the time that you have served as an expert witness in this case, and your answer was: can you read that to the jury? Please, yes, um! So no! It's not the task, i was cut off or i essentially what i wrote. I what i said then was not the task of dash. That was never my task to determine.

Can i say what that means? No and then the question is so, is it fair to say no that you have never arrived at an opinion that quote now? You also have never been asked to testify on whether an individual is being truthful in saying that they are a survivor of ipv. That's correct, because how are we going to win a jury right if she has context for what she's saying it's a good answer and she denies the answer? You know she asked the question that she would. You would like to have a good scope of answer for like what what the should, what the is that that that is how you lose. What the is that that have the point to win the jury, that's correct! Okay and you have never qualified as an expert to speak, to whether a person suffered from ipv intimate partner violence or was a victim or survivor of ipv.

Is that correct? That's outside the task of a psychologist to determine whether an event occurred. We assess behavior. We have we assess mental status, we don't detect crimes, so you have not been asked to testify to that correct. It's not something that occurs so, no, i have not disclosed in any of the designations or jesus guys guys.

Most of most of the questions can be found on google, so why is she? Why is she asking all this over there dinner and drinks with mr death correct? I did not disclose that. I was interviewed by the legal team. No, this is a lawyer. Are you trying to resist that? You didn't have dinner with mr depp and drinks, i'm not trying to resist that.

But it's not quite right. You didn't have dinner with mr depp. Did you not? I did with you and mr yeah: did you not and what you had drinks with mr depp did you know drinks were served i this was over two years ago. I may have had a drink with dinner.

Yes - and you didn't disclose that you had met with mr dap, mr waldman, mr chu and ms vasquez at mr depp's house for three to four hours and had dinner and drinks correct. I did not disclose that. It's not significant to the report. You don't think that's significant correct.

I don't, and you said no correct correct now. Heart is right. Mr depp is wrong, so, as a forensic psychologist, my obligation is to the court is to the fact finder i present, regardless of what that science may be now when i take a case, my retainer agreement is explicit about that and i discussed that you i'm asking You a question guys what guys, what the guys, how was she so good? I don't get it it was. She is she like uh, try to answer okay question.

You understand that if you found favorably to miss heard and negatively to mr deb, you wouldn't yeah she's smurfing, he wouldn't be testifying. No, i okay, sorry hold on the objection, speculation. I i that's. That's not! Speculation.

No i'll sustain the objection. If you want to ask okay, if you miss a long time yeah but she's on her feet, though, goes to bias your honor. I sustain the objection next question. Okay, all right guys, something i notice a lot is that um amber heard lawyers they they seem to contest and argue the judge, a lot and sometimes they win they lose.

But who does that? Then? You were, in fact, so excited about being involved in this case that you told your husband, even though this was a highly confidential matter, they tried to be conducting the examination of ms heard. Didn't you that is not accurate. You not only told lawyers. No, you told me, no, are you not that you told me i could be wrong.

I don't want to cut it off because you know you don't argue with the judge. It's objection right. You it's a wise objection. Then they they they sustain or they overrule right right, but whenever they she gives a decision.

No, it's it's it's sustained overall. You know, they don't argue with it. They have a point that they can go up front and say why and whatever they explain, and sometimes they get away with it. But you don't that's.

Just weird correct has been correct. I'm staying correct, it's gon na happen, i'm being corrupted, i'm being corrupted you're incorrect. That is not correct. Is your testimony today under oath that you did not tell your husband go back, i that is not accurate.

What exactly that you told your husband correct. You not only told your husband, but you told miss heard that you told your husband correct. Ms bretoff, that is not accurate. What is accurate, you're incorrect, that is not correct, is your testimony today under oath that you did not tell your husband that you were going to be conducting the examination of amber.

That is my testimony. Okay. So the question that was asked was because you brought muffins, you said from your husband right, you get and you gave those to ms heard correct. May i clarify what occurred so that we can stop talking about the muffins? What happened was that i was getting ready that morning, i frequently bring muffins to the office.

My husband did happen to know that there was going to be a celebrity client coming in because on the mornings that that occurs, which often occurs. We have to actually clear the office and move the staff to the other office. So yes, on the one hand, he was aware that i was getting ready. I asked him to go to the bakery near our house and pick up the muffins for me because i was running late.

He often has to do that because i often do run late. He brought the muffins back to the house. I brought them into the office. Ms heard and i enjoyed the muffins together, i think i made a comment to her along the lines like we can thank my husband.

He brought her. My husband got these for us today, meaning he purchased the muffins. We are now enjoying them because of him. Yes, what was with the muffins guys, what's with the muffins, were the muffins dropped or something like that was it were they laced? Did somebody die what happened with the weapons? Did you say on pages 305 and 306 that you frequently have examinations of high-profile clients? You want to just take a quick look and tell us what 306 yeah that's where we're talking about it.

Is there a line you'd like me to look at you can start with uh 15 line 15 305.. Just read through that and talk. Oh, i get anywhere in there that you have confidentiality means that she told her donations. You do this frequently i get it.

I get it. I i don't agree, don't you approach, please? Oh, she doesn't agree. Oh wow, why did your husband get the muffins for amber heard? He did not get the muffins for amber heard. He knew you had a high profile, client and he was, and you were preparing for a very long time and you asked him to pick up the muffins correct.

I asked him to pick up the muffins for me. Yes, okay, you didn't diagnose, you didn't actually have guys. She thinks that she got him yeah. She thinks that she just got under her right.

She's like ha got him. Did she think so right now that is, that's heard, suffers from either borderline personality disorder or histrionic personality disorder holy? That's, not correct, you're. In fact, your report says ms heard demonstrates psychological symptoms of a combined borderline and histrionic personality disorder. Would you agree? Yes, i did say that in also what designation was that i believe january 18th.

That report was included. Yes, okay and that's what you said at that time: correct! Yes, okay, i said a little bit more than that as well. You said and i'll read it. I'll quote: it quote, based on the combined results of my interview with ms heard behavioral observations, psychometric test data and review of the available records.

Ms heard demonstrates psychological symptoms of a combined borderline and histrionic personality disorder. Bhpd, that's what you wrote in your report as one of your conclusions and that's a dsm, 5 diagnosis, and it did not say that you were diagnosing with a dsm 5 for borderline personality disorder or histrionic personality disorder. Did it that's what it says in different semantics? Oh, so so so what you meant it did not use the words you just said so so now we have an evaluation of rocky pennington. No, i just said government not relevant to my opinion, because i'm only evaluating this hurt, but you testified to that on direct that that was a factor right.

Yes, okay! Well, wouldn't it make a big difference if amber, struck first or just responded back given the dynamic, not necessarily no, it would not have so so now, you're an expert on rocky pennington and her dynamics with amber, hurt. Okay, and do you remember dr cowan, testifying that on another occasion amber sent him a text? Johnny beat me up pretty good last night, end of quote again not in this constant. She she can rely on it and she's overruled. Thank you.

Thank you. I didn't need to argue that hard. I guess. Do you recall that in bonnie jacobs notes she documents? However, oh go ahead.

She documents multiple multiple occasions that amber heard reports to her physical violence upon her by mr depp. Does she not? There are several notes that indicate that ms hurt has reported violence by mr depp. Yes, many many correct, i wouldn't qualify it as many many, i'm not sure what you mean. Didn't you tell her earlier that that her job is to get the info that she's given and and analyze the behavior and and put that in it and not to see if a crime has been committed or not so whatever she's saying right now, it's really useless.

Given the answer she should be given earlier, why is she even bothered with this? How many would you say i don't know, i don't have the notes in front of me now. You also said that you listened to audio tapes in this case. Correct, yes, did you hear mr depp admitting to head butting ms heard? That is not what i heard you didn't hear that i heard a conversation about head butting. I did not hear him, as you said, admit, to head-butting misheard.

Okay, that's your characterization of it! Correct! Yes, okay, um, did you see the video mr depp in the kitchen he gets, it did miss her laura, doesn't just or create that, or was she responsible for that? Somehow i'll sustain your checks. Next question: okay, um? What, if any impact did you have did that have on your opinions watching mr depp in that video? I'm not sure it? It was one of many pieces of the exhibits and other collateral data that i considered, i'm not sure what the direct impact was or if that could be measured. Do you recall dr blasting, referring to mr depp having rage? No, i actually recall him referring to miss heard. In that note, your testimony is that dr blaustein was referring to amber heard as having rage.

I transcribed several of the notes and i may be missing a time when he i said that about mr deb. The handwriting was very difficult yeah. Is he like a therapist guys if my therapist is going to be like this? I mean i'm going to get checked in man holy man, it's a transcribe, but there was one instance in which i recall transcribing, stating that mr depp reported that ms heard had rage now. Amber's medical examination.

She was cooperative, correct, not the norm. Yes, she was cooperative and polite okay and and in the two full days of examination, you felt she was polite and answered all your questions, this lawyer, what the is this, except in one instance, where she furrowed her brow when you were asking about friendships in high School correct, that's not correct all right, let's go to page 275., so we start on 274. With the was she polite. You said yes, was she cooperative? Yes, i'm not celebrating your questions for the most part.

Yes, this is uh. Now we're on page two. Seven five lives, i guess and then my question is i said before i say it again. I don't want to downplay anything guys.

I'm not a celebrity. No streamer is a celebrity and most big youtubers are not celebrities. Wonder why somebody's somebody that goes, that is the main streamer they're on tv, their their people, know them without knowing them people seen their movies guys, you, you guys, know a bunch of actors, you don't know by name right, a bunch of them right unless you are Directly involved right yeah, you guys know me yeah, but there's a lot of followers on the voice. I go on a street, i'm a nobody, i'm gon na wait and that will probably never change.

Why? Because i'm not celebrity in this realm, we're capped up guys. There's clout and there's fame. These guys are famous. I have some monochrome level of clout, that's just how it is question was: did she at any time become combat, combative or unfriendly with you or angry, and your answer was? There was one instance in which she appeared annoyed and the posturing forward a bit more assertive tone, furrowed brow when i was questioning something following up on data that had been inconsistent about friendships in high school other than that she was very polite.

Is that your answer at that time? That was my answer at that time, and it's inconsistent with the question you had just asked me: it's common for the perpetrator to essentially gaslight the victim accused them of being the perpetrator. Would you agree? That's exactly how it was asked in the depositions. I understand it is a compound question. Okay, objection, it's common for the perpetrator to essentially gaslight.

I don't think that's your honor! It's just shut up! Excuse me, you are a celebrity. Let me try just not to gaslight the victim, isn't it that's a characteristic psychological geyser, guys? Listen! Let me explain what happens when you're a celebrity okay. Let's say she has her office we're about muffins. They said lady muffins, okay, hazard, muffins at the office; okay, okay, okay, leonardo dicaprio walks in.

Why do the? What do the staff? Do? They go? Oh okay! Next morning i am, i have a rendezvous. I have a meeting with this girl. I open the front door. I walk in what are the people doing in office when they see me? That's what happens.

That's the difference. These guys are famous, i'm not okay and it's common for them to accuse right now, being the perpetrator, the victim, that's a characteristic of abuse from women perpetrated against men. It's actually very, very common about 90 percent of male victims of ipv have reported that threats have reported that a female partner who abuses them makes threats to uh report their partner as an abuser. It's less common for men to make that statement to female partners just because there's less potential consequence.

Damn that that was damn dude see guys. I feel like if you said that and you warded it poorly people were trying to people would get mad at this right. But that was kind of that's going to base that, but well well put it's actually very, very common, yes, okay and, and it's common then for them to accuse them of being the perpetrator, the victim, that's a characteristic of abuse from women perpetrated against men. It's actually very, very common about 90 percent of male victims of ipv have reported that a female partner who abuses them makes threats to report their partner as an abuser.

It's less common for men to make that statement to female partners just because there's less potential consequence. Jesus man that that that actually could apply to the case i mean by but guys now, i'm biased, because now, if you guys, if i, if i watch more of these guys, i guess i'm biased um towards your testosterone, you guys, because i like her, i, like Her so whatever whatever happens, what happens whatever? She says, i'm already biased on her side. That's not fair man. What not because she's hot i mean it helps.

I mean man, guys man, human nature is so guys. It's too cooked guys guys. I guess i'm a victim of of my own nature, man. What can i can? I say man i mean it does help, but you guys you don't want it to help, but it does.

But you're like i want to stay, biased, i'm unbiased, then she's hot, like i did what dude? What can you do? What can you do if you want, if you're in a jury, what can you do? Also you're bricked, you can't do anything. This is just not right. The x you see it's for mark from yesterday night, i've been voted all day by anybody. What i tried to ask was: if that one mods of streaming could get cut.

Could you state your full name for the record yeah how much man, but it's that's annoying? Is it what do you do for a living? I am a clinical and forensic psychologist. What's your educational background i received well, i started college at georgetown university. I then transferred to the university of california irvine, where i received my bachelor's degree in psychology and social yeah. I guess i'm not going to watch the whole thing.

I'll, probably watch it on my own be honest because it's seven hours dude. That is that that is a dance that amount of time chad. You guys guys guys what guys, what's tomorrow guys so tomorrow we might watch it live. Though i completed my master's degree in psychology at the uh at pepperdine university.

I went on to complete my doctoral degree in clinical psychology at pepperdine university, only three minutes, several training rotations at different practicum sites. Those are essentially clinical rotations. We do to learn various types: oh, okay, okay, that's fine, okay, guys, guys! Um! You need to see only the first three minutes. Why of psychology? You learn how to do psychological assessment, counseling, etc, and you do that in a variety of different settings, and then i completed a year-long doctoral internship at what the this chat, mommy baba, booba exclamation mark drop guys.

These are all these. These are of yours from here man, mommy booba, jesus association, accredited uh, doctoral internship. You do this year before you get your degree and that was at tripler army medical center um, it's traditionally. Yes, i did so in conducting my evaluation.

I met with miss heard on two separate dates: yeah, so she cooked her 10th and december 17th. 2021.. Oh, this is what she has actually how much time if you spent with miss heard so the evaluation uh. We spent 12 hours directly, as you guys guys like she's it may from the tips you can tell she's ill.

I mean, i think, i think i think, a good part of the population. If dissected and we're going to see a professional yeah, i think i think a good people are ill. I mean i think i have my i'm. I think i'm i've my own this.

You know small uh, maybe a small ill, but what it is one another um. However, there were more, there were more hours involved in the evaluation with some breaks, so we spent seven hours together. On the first day, there was, as a result of the work that you performed, did you form any opinions with respect to ms heard i did what were those opinions? I uh the results. Can you listen to this song? I've put it on repeat.

Well, i wanted a personality, disorder and histrionic personality disorder. What's that, are you aware that mr dennis is on an audio recording years earlier, taunting amber heard that she has a borderline personality, the percentage of the disorder together by pattern of excessive attention, seeing behaviors, usually beginning early in childhood, inappropriate selection, an excessive desert for approval? Oh, maybe i got some of that man me um, craving attention pride of own personality, unwilling to change excessive sensitivity to criticism, making rash decisions rapidly, shifting emotional states low tones for frustration or delayed gratification, blaming personal failures, retreat, dramatic and emotional reality disorder. I was made aware of that in this case. Yes, so you did actually not necessarily taunting, but i do recall here this entire.

Would you agree that a disproportionate number of women are tagged with a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder? No, that's not quite right what seventy-five percent guys she's a tabloid. You guys guys. We don't even see this the way you phrased. It is like that girl who is really hot, but everyone avoids because she smokes cigarettes who have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder than men.

It's more prevalent in women and trauma concoct as borderline person. Oh you just saw that you're right, no, never right! Now. We know that there are people who have borderline personality disorder who have sustained childhood trauma. There are also people who have borderline personality disorder who have had no childhood trauma so like most personality disorders and really like most mental health issues in general, there seems to be both a biological component.

In this case with borderline personality disorder. The research tends to support a genetic component and possibly a neurological component, and then there is also possibly an environmental component triggering those genetic markers. Would you agree? Jesus not find something that would be in favor of mr depp and the negative to ms heard that you wouldn't be an expert in this case, essentially you're into court, if you're going to say the mis. So as a forensic psychologist, my obligation is to the court.

Is to the fact finder, i present science representation. Now when i take a case, my retainer agreement is explicit about that guys. I i wasn't paying anything when this was happening, because i i was i was. I was pausing paul sorry um tonight.