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What is that? Please know that my apology is sincere and solid and as stupid as it sounds, i hope your meeting with clive barker is excellent. You see that yes, okay and then you respond. Thank you for your words and you indicate you just left betty sue's. That's his mother say i'll, see you later: okay, yes, uh yeah, a glass of wine with uh, my former agent megan, okay, that um that afterwards very much yeah, i'm gon na give you all my hands before.
I start um objection: hearsay! Yeah! Okay! Thank you sure. All right and we can take that down: let's bring up 325 defendants 325. Please - and this is an email exchange, the following day: 12. 18.
2014.. Guys, yes, okay, your move, the admission of defendants; 325.! Oh it's already in your honor! My apologies we'll get that figured out at lunch with what rejection is. It's already ends. It's been in evidence.
Does anybody over there have the list of evidence? That's already in evidence? Okay, we're making sure ours indicates. It is it's in evidence without reductions, your honor? It is, it was redacted, i don't know what was redacted. The reductions. Don't sound.
Is that that's how it is in evidence, mr murphy, guys it's so bad. It's fine! Your honor we've confirmed thank you. It could be published. Thank you.
She's been getting rolled, that's impossible. She can't get rolled, it's not cross food, it's not cross! You can't see it on your screen. All right, we'll take care of that during the break. If you could just share it there, oh got it okay! Thank you all right.
Okay! Okay, thank you. So this is from mr depp right says: it's a way: i've! Let it go too far, went too far. Do you see that? Yes, i do. I always regret it.
When i jump or worse when you jump, i don't want to be conditioned to continue that behavior. Therefore, i'll put in heavy work with shrank, what is your understanding of what he's referring to was shrank um psychology objection calls for speculation. Did you have an understanding of what he meant? Yes, i knew exactly what he meant and what did he mean shrank his shrink? What did what did he call shrink? He johnny called um shrinks, meaning a psychologist, therapist um shrank, okay, uh for your disappointment in me. For my behavior, i'm a savage.
Do you see that, yes, all right gon na lose that gon na lose that the devil is all around right guys this one types like my dad good you respond to this? Does it and of course, before you want to go to my, and he says: oh, that's, computer and i'd see like his emails just like that at the moment and that it will never again. Do you see that? Yes, i do and you respond. I love you. I miss you, oh he's my dad's agent, oh yeah, that makes sense then yeah they're the same pretty much, and what, if anything, is that in consistent with the cycle that you have described well, the language he used after particularly violent episodes, was savage monster, devil and So we ended up both calling his other side, the sight of johnny. That would do and say unbelievably horrible things, it's very different from the other johnny that was, in my opinion, exact, opposite chat, synthetic since i've missed typical of the apologies that i would get um when he took it too far. Physically. I was encouraged because i thought it meant he understood that he could really hurt me. Sometimes i didn't think he understood how much he could hurt me physically, i mean so after this i had a visible bruise.
I i don't remember where, but i remember what other people well, i can't say that what they said so anyway um well, that's that's and i you know come on in these fights. I tried to stand up for myself by december 2014.. I was pushing back i'd. Push him off of me.
I tried to hit his hands away guys, i don't know sometimes not sometimes almost always made it worse and we seem to provoke him, i'm done with his required today and worse, i, you know i would yell at him and scream at him. I call calm ugly names, so ashamed of the names we call each other. It was awful, it was awful. We both got into that pattern.
It was so you know, i felt so angry that this was happening to me and i felt it just felt so unfair. You know it felt like nothing. I could do felt like nothing. I could do, would change the sobriety patterns but like nothing, i could do would stand up for him and nothing.
I did made him stop hitting me nothing. So you know i tried for over a year - maybe maybe two - this guy not responding physically, not responding verbally just staring at him. I tried to freeze. I tried to go to a different place.
I just got it then lashing out verbally. I would try to threaten that if he hit me again that i would call the police, you know the police were called several times, but i tried to do everything i even threatened to leave him. You know and tried to leave him and nothing was working, and i think by this point in our relationship um we're both saying awful things to each other screaming at each other and unfortunately um when johnny would start hitting me. He just went and i'll subscribe.
It you're this might be a good okay. Let's get the lunch break all right, we'll go, ladies and gentlemen, we'll go ahead and take our lunch break good times. Good to see you guys, that's the case, we're doing outside research. Okay, thank you.
Good, good timing. Nothing here also, she she did it's over time. Watch crying during lunch, break, come on then all right and again ma'am just don't discuss your testimony with anybody this time. Okay, all right! Thank you! So two o'clock, all right.
Thank you all right, arizona! I'm allowed to go to lunch break okay, how much time nearly three hours me 136 is good loud, but let me hit a contact before this. Oh man, this is just a long time for this. Did you tape record in my experience and if calls for speculation, she can say she can say which why she did it and what she thought, but that did that last part called her speculation. I knew um. Why did you take record in my experience when johnny was that inebriated? He would not remember what he had done calls for speculation. How can that call for speculation? I'll sustain the objection, yeah all right, let's go to defendants 221 and i'm going to play three different parts for it. You know what i mean. It's like.
It's looking unfair, though, that she gets to say it though, but i mean we approach, please, okay. Oh, let's hear it okay sure to be able to pick up the noise. I'm sorry! So that's it and then the second one is from 250 to 320 30 seconds. Wait it's what wow! Oh! He kicked her down yeah.
I remember that what is evidence if i don't get it that's evidence of nothing. What you 221 is in evidence all of 221 is already in evidence. So may i play the third one then, and then we can take the break. Yes, thank you.
That would be it. You can play 9 30 to 10, just 30 seconds more, so funny get sick, guys! Here's a crazy request! Out of you guys, if you end up, recording multiple long ass clips, get an actual tape recorder so to get an actual thing that a recorder instead of your phone and also try putting the phone somewhere out, maybe maybe on a table, maybe not inside the engine. I heard it get good noise in there boys, it gets noise in there boys all right and you can be changing gears after that. Or do you have more questions for this issue? No, i think this would be fun.
Okay, all right. Let's just do not do any outside research and don't discuss the case with anybody. Okay, guys guys. Where is the evidence of what? What is this that this is? This is the only evidence that that johnny might have been playing a game on his ps4 in the cabin that that is the strongest evidence for a ps4 in the room for sure all right, and you can be changing gears after that.
Or do you have more questions for this issue? No, i think this would be fun. Okay, all right, ladies jim, let's go and take our morning break then just do not do any outside research and don't discuss it. That's my joke! Uh! I got straight off the plane as soon as we touched down. Um johnny had been saying some what he would do to me once we got on the ground, and i didn't know how long this is also a problem that i've been having with this trial.
Also is the fact that um um they try to to discredit his testimony and his whatever, because he's drunk or high or doing drugs. Yet in her testimony she's like yeah, i took drugs yeah. I i took a bunch of this and too much of that, but then she actually like she's, all she's analytical attentive to details, remembers everything she's insane and all there. But whenever he's cooked up - oh he's, but me i i take a, i think - a molly shroom caps, drugs, alcohol, cocaine and i'm like looking for details and he's like dude what go with glasses. I don't know like what happened. How does that make sense? I um went to a hotel and uh called my friends to join me, which was my coping strategy at the time. No, i'm going to ask you to take a look at defendants. 204.
Oh the difference in tolerance. Yeah! Maybe did you reach out too yeah. You guys get you guys objection, what's that you could do together since this lunch break chat. This is large lunch break.
We can catch up to the good moments attention to the first one in blue and the third one in blue we're trying to watch all this sense impression and the state state of mind at that time. All right do an approach. Yes, oh, we need to skip all this too, as well, which is really good all right. Let's go to 205.
defendants 205.. You go faster as well. Yeah you're right - and this is a communication between you and rocky pennington. Your best friend, is that correct.
That's correct objection here: oh my god dude. Can they just train her on evidence? It's not going to get uh uh they're, not gon na get objections like how hard is that? What how is she crying before you even started? How? How is she pre-crying is making? No sense at all, thank you. May we publish the jury. Thank you.
It is so rocky on. This is, what's up yeah i'll, see you later, okay, okay, i'm hearing you talk about. This is funny. I like hear your key pennington.
Your best friend is that correct, she's pre-firing, so she was about to talk but the objection and she pre-fired okay, and when did you send this communication to rocky once i had touched down in l.a, okay, what what he said this reminds me how lonely? I am pog chip um and you said i'm not good. What did you mean by that that i needed help that i i was scared. I was scared of what had just happened to me. I was scared of what was going to happen to me.
I'm scared. If i left him, i was scared. If i didn't and i needed help i just needed support, i couldn't i didn't, feel safe going home. I still had my place in orange.
He had keys. I i was scared. Okay, did you text your mother and your father about this incident? Objection? Hearsay! If you want to uh, did you what? If any communication did you have with your mother or your father following this incident, objection here say sustain that um, let's go to, let's go to defendants 222 and you're going to, i suspect, we're going to be back up here. You want to keep going.
Thank you guys also. I know this is very minor, but i wish that their lord didn't, like a laugh, laughed this off and like huh they're, going to reject this they're like yeah, like you can't use that there's a general objection and it's it's, it is getting uh. It is getting sustained. How is that like funny or whatever you're, just it's the rules and you're trying to break them or whatever, like yeah? I don't know how's that funny like yeah. I guess we're going to get objectioned a lot yeah, because if you do that, like what the it says um, it's pity underhanded. I don't think so, though it's not peter it's not it's, not video or handed it. She's literally saying what somebody said. What somebody said that is, that it's literally interesting, i love that um.
Are they all alive because last time, because the person should talk for somebody who was dead, which and then they're like objection, they're like uh they're, like dude, the president, the person you can't even refute or tell a person is literally dead like what all right? What? If any uh communications did you have with kate james following the boston plane incident objection hearsay, your honor. If we go to 224 okay, 224., oh my argument would be business records exception all right, you're going to come forward. I do think i was when i was watching this live. I would have lost my objection.
What, if anything, did you do? The evening of the 24th of may, i reached out to friends and family, asked for support objection, hearsay, sustained and surrounded myself with them with that. What, if anything, did you do for lily rose's birthday? I um. That's why we had gone back to l.a. Johnny was sick after having passed out on the plane, so i took her to dinner yeah.
This is a question jack. This should only come her hair to the right like that or to her left um in the other ones. Um who cares it is. I think i guess i'm just wondering i was wondering if in the ca in the other case, whatever i knew today, she was sitting like that and she's going on her head the other side, so they could see, but now since she's in front, so the jury Can see she comes in on the other side, i was asking if, if it was done deliberately or not, you know again put on my smile took her out, tried to make her feel loved and celebrated for her birthday, and then i booked a flight out to New york to go back to new york um, obviously without johnny, i'm going to ask you to now turn to 225 and you're going to be referring to the last two blue spots on that page um with the state of mind, um mental condition, all right.
It doesn't, it's still here, say your honor, okay, okay, okay, why are you sniffling it? Yes, her speech. Her speech is not impaired. It's not congestion! There was no tears, nothing. How is she sniffling it? What is she sniffling and what is the tissue for? If there's no blow or whatever, what is your sniffling she's allergies? No, she does not have allergies, she does not have kovid what man these mother suckers skip this.
Oh my god! Okay, what please tell the jury. What you did then, over that night, the next day and and and at the hotel. I cried a lot tried to surround myself with my friends and resolve to leave him felt. I felt powerless nothing.
I did made a difference. You know on the plane. I was so careful objection unresponsive. Please just tell us what you did and you can tell how you feel but don't go backwards. Okay, i resolved tried to just strength to commit to leaving him. I knew i had to. I knew. Nothing else would make a difference.
So i got myself back to la i mean: i'm excuse me new york and started going to eleanor meetings every day to support it's a support group for people who love addicts and alcoholics. If any communications did you have with stephen deuters objection: hearsay, yeah, let me ask it this way: what if any communications did you have with mr deuters communicating on behalf of mr depp objection, hearsay agency on that you have to lay a foundation for that all right? Let's go to 229a, i'm actually getting smoked on pretty hard. That lawyer holy. Also, i don't want to say i didn't even be mean, but what is this like pads of the caribbean costume, like like sailors, ripped shirt, and could you without saying what the content is? Can you tell us who this text message is with uh johnny's assistance? What's his name, his name is stephen duders, okay, and what, if any, communication, were you having with him following the boston plane incident objection? Hearsay? May we approach all right man? This must have been a disaster.
Look i can skip through. It look also heard from it guys. This is an hour-long stunt. Lock.
Did you communicate at all with mr depp in the days following the plane? Boston, plane incident? Yes, i did. Please tell the jury about those communications i heard from him um directly. I also heard from him through his assistants, who were texting for him objection your honor hearsay i'll, sustain the objections. Icebreakers you're not allowed to testify about the text messages with his assistant, but can you tell the jury about your communications with mr depp? Okay, it's kind of confusing because he's texting through them.
Objection i'll sustain the objection i'll strike, that from the record you'll just regard that testimony. Please answer the question: just confine it to the communications you had with mr deb, please uh he that he was sorry and told me that he was in a blackout. He didn't remember everything about what he did remember. He was ashamed of.
He begged me to forgive him. I said he understood, and forgive me forgave me if i, if i never wanted to speak to him again, i um he texted me at one point and then and then i didn't respond right away and he text me again wait a minute wait a minute. He understood wait a minute. She didn't respond right then, and then so she waited oh according to her own or her own forensics.
It's like! Oh just! That's that that's a method of coercion and whatnot or or mental abuse. Perhaps that i mean that's what that decision. That's what they tried to pull off last time. Good luck and i was better for it and then continued to um not responding. I spoke to him when i was in new york on the phone and he said that he was um. He had a chip or that he was going to meetings that he uh. I think at the time mentioned a sober uh. Another celebrity that was kind of advising him on sobriety or not advising him, but you know encouraging him and he was saying well look.
You know me, and this person we're we're doing. We even went to a meeting um. I've got three days, sober four days sober, and that was the last time the monster will never come back. Monster will never come back and because it felt like such a different question chat guys did they do they ever refer objectively with evidence to his behavior as not something that is like a monster or an evil or a devil, but actually in instead, they say like Violence, violent hitting uh abusive, but or did they always refer at what's what's like uh felt so much worse than never i've ever been before, and because i had that cannot play as well any saver if you like, when i went to new york, and i was Trying to get my strength to leave him, i actually thought that it kind of would be because because you can never really tell what is you can never really say, what is the monster, it's kind of subjective? Would it? Yes, they can describe what is the monster or when he's being abusive or whatever, but in the text and whatever right they're, not getting a a a an actual descriptive, it's always the most or whatever, the whatever you know.
I thought i had effective objections. Thank you. Go ahead, please continue. I thought i i thought things would change.
Okay, did you uh draft any kind of uh email to mr depp to express your emotions and how you felt about all this objection? Hearsay, i well. Let's go also lay the foundation, your honor. Let's go to defendants 230., leading and hearsay objection here, say your honor person sense impression and definitely state of mind your honor. All they have is objection all right.
Jesus did you ultimately communicate to mr depp what you first drafted up in an email without saying anything about what's in the email that calls for hearsay honor, i'm just asking if she did not what she said correct, okay overruled! Did you communicate to mr deb? What you had drafted in the email and don't you don't get to say what you said? Yes, okay, and what? If any response did mr depp have to your sending that email to him? No, don't do it she's doing it. Isn't she yeah? He came to new york to fight for the relationship for me to prove that he was sober and he was committed to changing. I believed he was embarrassed and sorry he said he was, and i believed him. So i took him back or got back with him on the condition that he would uphold his promise to do the treatment to do the full detox clean up and never go back.
So i'm gon na take you now up to the june through august 2014 time frame, and i think you testified earlier and others have as well, that mr depp brought in dr kipper and his group correct must be really trying virginia um. Can you please describe for the jury what those next few months were like all of a sudden this doctor gets brought on that had that we had been talking about. I had heard this name before and all of a sudden this doctor, dr kipper, apparently wrote a book on addiction and was this doctor who's gon na be the solution, the cure, you know uh and he got he got brought on board and all of a sudden, The plan was that this team would be involved in johnny's recovery, so it felt real felt serious. I felt like protected. You know, i'd already by this point heard a million times. It seems like a promise is to get clean and sober, but this felt like a change and they were going to come to boston and start working with johnny and plan was to keep johnny on on the same level of drugs that he was on, since he Was filming, they needed him to finish filming the movie uh, so he was going to be maintained with his prescript with prescription pills, including the painkillers and the the the plan was right. He was prescribing yesterday from alcohol completely and all other drugs like weed and coke, and then, when he finished filming the plan was to objection your honor hearsay and lack of foundation. I i i don't understand what the objection i i don't think it is.
I think she was just explaining the context there. I don't think she was saying because somebody's foundation, how she knew it's fine. How did you know that i was involved in the conversations okay with the doctors and with his sister objection, your honor? That's still here that part is um, so uh guys they know better. What did what happened next as a result of these communications, without saying what the communications were, a nurse came to boston uh, where johnny was.
I just would come for short periods of time in between i mean on weekends, from filming until i wrapped my movie, which i did i think in may. If i am not mistaken and then i went to boston - and i was there and saw um, a nurse was flown out to boston, debbie, lloyd and i believe kipper came out too, and they put johnny on a bunch of new medications which they shared with me. Told me about objection, your honor hearsay. We have to be careful about what other people told you, okay, but you can testify to what you know.
Okay, so what happened? Then. I saw his medications change um. I know the amount that johnny told them he was on. Was so that they they could maintain him for the filming, meaning not make a drastic change in the amount of painkillers he was taking, but he his behavior his whole personality changed drastically.
He would be speaking to me and at the time i was staying in boston with him having wrapped my movie. Her perception of the personality changed right, but this is her. Testimony mid-word fall asleep one time i was sitting across from him and he would come in and out of sleep uh being awake or completely. What appeared to be asleep while talking to me and he had a cigarette in his hand, and you know johnny constantly smoked. He just sat this cigarette. You know as he fell asleep, while speaking down on his leg. Yep they're hand-rolled cigarettes, they don't stay, lit um, very long, thankfully, but that'll do that to you. It was things like that and i didn't understand it.
Even though i had experience drug use, um painkillers in my family, i hadn't seen anything like this and it was so dramatic. The change that i was trying to figure out with the nurses and doctors. What was what happened? What changed, how old we could killers and opiates are very strong, i remember being on morphine for my knee dude, i would fall asleep. Mid-Sentence i'd be talking on the couch to somebody about my family and i would i would legitimately fall asleep in the middle of my sentence: explain the change and what medications were causing it.
I knew there were new medications involved, so you know i was constantly um worried and in communication and johnny's behavior got worse and worse more of this passing out nodding off waking up in the middle of the night screaming waking up in the middle of the night. Sometimes crying and the emotions would change from one to the next like by the by the second, the i remember. We were on a long weekend when he was filming in boston and we went to this like like a resort retreat hotel, and you know he was just bawling. You know i broke my heart.
There was just a lot of changes and i i really didn't know um. I felt so bad for him and i thought maybe it was just what kipper had introduced into the regime, the medications. But what i found out in in that time is that he was taking about double the amount objection, your honor, here's something i saw. Okay.
Thank you. Please, please continue uh. It was taking about double the amount that he told them was his normal when he started the the process with the doctors so 31 minutes after a few. You know i think months of going.
What is wrong, and you know turning him over when he vomited at night or checking his pulse. There were all of a sudden i just when i realized the amount was about double he. I realized, then, that he had been doubling lying to them and me about the amount so that he could get extra high before he had to detox, but that i can't just that i was so. It was such an agonizing few that weeks months it was so agonizing.
I don't know how long it lasted, but i was so concerned for this person and he had just been doubling up his meds because he didn't trouble you so michelle. Can you pull up 109.2 defendants exhibit 1002. yeah? I guess i want to divide and show this is actually double double like double down. I feel like um. If you talk about like opioids and painkillers, doubling down can be, you know, i mean it can be lethal depending on what the dosage is. You know amber. Did you take this picture of mr depp? I did you're on i'm going to move the admission of defendants. Exhibit 109.2.
are any objection, no objections, all right, 109.2 in evidence, you're going to publish, thank you, and can you describe what's depicted here and why you took this picture. This was during that time. When virginia, not it's it's they're spending the pace he was. He was like this just throughout the day off and on, and then he would take adderall and he'd be really animated and ready to go.
And then it would be this again and it was so erratic, and so it changed so quickly and i naively now really did not understand what was going on. I deeply cared about this human's well-being, all right and it was very confusing and scary. He's like mixing. Drugs, went into detox for roxycon, foxy, codines or whatever they're called oxycontin or whatever, yes uh.
When he finished filming, the plan was to do the detox and that's what we did and when was that um uh early august of 2014. I believe we left. We were there for, i think, a week to 10 days, eight through the 18th, so she said she'll figure out more or less, and we've heard some testimony about this. But can you please describe for the jury, what took place during this detox on the bahama islands? In august 2014, the bahamas, it was for the first few days: okay, peaceful, i that the nurse and then later nurse and doctor were staying on a different part of the island.
Um a few minutes drive by atv, like 10 15 minute. You know um by uh. One of those atv vehicles, but we can communicate right now, yeah and occasionally through text and um. It was just it was okay at first and then the behavior just really wasn't: okay uh, it was up down he'd, be mad at me.
Then he was wanting a hug uh. He cried a lot and then he that's. It's a color right now, guys it's it's an eddie vehicle. It's like a it's like a like a small atd vehicle.
It's really cool man like um. You know wanted to have sex a lot like, which is just not like johnny at all, and it was just like that. It was just up down mood and it was like i was. I felt like a constant was catering to the mood that whatever he was going through at the time i was just trying to adapt and kind of roll with it and and provide support.
I was taking his blood pressure. I was on a schedule and constant communication with the nurses about delivering the meds, giving him his meds at a certain time. I was just trying to take care of him, and a few days in you know the i guess the effects of the detox really started to change and it went from this like erratic behavior up and down up and down to just really down or mad. He would burst into uh anger at me yelling at me. I crossed the tape i walked away from it at the table. I crossed the table in a certain way and he screamed to me about that tried to overturn this table. Luckily, it was bolted down to the um to the deck, but i remember him shaking it and screaming and at different point he was really calm and sweet and thanking me and then another. You know he uh looked like he was balancing out and we had a conversation and he was saying he wanted to quit like quit the detox and he couldn't do it anymore and i was trying to find the language to um, encourage him yeah.
I i find it's a little bit odd, that uh that she goes to the island to get help whatever and to get better and she's still describing him as like bad. Whatever it's like yeah, i mean i, i don't know man he's in detox, he's it it's. It's it's a it's a tough time and it's it's pretty hardcore man like uh, of course, you're gon na be like more vulnerable and whatnot like it's irritated how much he wanted that. How much he had told me! He wanted that, how much he i was reminding him.
He told me all the time i i saved his life and he wouldn't be doing this without me. I was telling him these things and i was at one point in our conversations. I told him about how objection your honor hearsay please try to continue without what you said. Please um, i said something to him and uh.
He got so angry at me. He slapped me across the face, but he did it like while crying so he was the weirdest thing he was crying saying. No woman had ever embarrassed him like that. No no woman had ever made him feel like that.
I heard that for the rest of the trip too, just on repeat and i felt bad i feel bad still feel bad, but you know i didn't want to make him feel embarrassed. That's not what i wanted to do. It just was over my head. I don't know how to detox someone.
You know, i don't know how to help them, see that and i shouldn't yeah yeah you don't you don't have to talk to anybody, it's why it's? Why there's doctors and nurses that flew to the island like what you're you're, not a medical, professional, dumb? I don't know, i know what this is about, what why were you there because he asked me to, and i didn't know that that was a phenomenally dumb idea. I don't know why anyone, no, why the doctors and nurses didn't tell me not to i didn't. I had no idea what that was. Gon na look like or be like, and it was hell.
You know we're on an island, i'm trying to take care of him and he was hallucinating and objection. Your honor non-responsive uh overruled overwatch for things that i said when i didn't say any. I hadn't said anything i i would tell him johnny. I objection your honor hearsay.
I i think in the context, your honor, i don't it's not, isn't it also a speculation? How do you know he's hallucinating? Are you are you in his eyes and in his brain? How do you know he's seeing something or hearing something prove the truth of the matter asserted? What's it for it's, just telling the context of i'll sustain the objection. Thank you please continue and just say what he says and what he did and what your observations. That's very speculative. He was um accusing me of having a man in the house with me. We were in a single, you know in a cabin, it's basically one room with a closet and a bathroom i mean there's nowhere to hide, maybe showing signs of hallucination. No, no, no, you don't get it. This is a. This is a.
This is a court. This is this is a case. Okay, you, you can't say what somebody is seeing, what they're, what what whatever their signs or whatever you're not. Are you a medical professional? How are you equipped to you as a normal person to tell if this is the symptoms of a hallucination? You don't you can't and you're, not them that's, and he at one point told me that i was hiding somebody in the house.
Another point he was communicating with someone not in the room, it would yell at me and then yell at someone else. It wasn't there and i tried to ask for what i should do. I didn't know what to do. It was terrifying and strange.
The whole week was so: okay, op-ed, left noise and finish now, meaning debbie lloyd, dr kipper, and i and johnny we flew back to l.a and the the he was going back and forth between saying he wasn't going to continue to. He was committed, it was back and forth. Everything was up down erratic, like changing every second and we got to la and uh debbie and kipper communicate with me. I won't say what they said, but i i decided it would be probably in everyone's best interest.
If i went away to a hotel, this was lagging because i uh put me up in this room in this hotel. While he finished the process of detox in la - and i had my friends out with my girlfriends there to support me as per usual. So, let's michelle, can you pull up 272? Please stop stop and after you, both returned to l.a stop stop. This is all annoying communication.
It's annoying! We we don't. We don't hear anything. We don't. We don't guys her speech.
It doesn't feel like like it's because her nose is it's congested or watered. What is she sniffling? It that's pure air that is maximum dude apart, while he was finishing the detox uh. Yes, he did jordan. I'd like to move the admission she posed the picture.
Yes, your honor to the first semester. Oh please excuse me your honor for the second, you mean the response right. Okay, i i i just present sentence no shot and after you both oh, what the and after you, both and after you, both returned to l.a. Did.
Mr depp communicate with you too. Yes, your honor to the first message: okay, uh just present sense of impression: yeah because we don't see it, but she probably saw the the camera guy or the camera, whatever person message, pull up their camera and get ready. That is absolutely busted all right, you're on ray all right, any objection, 272 redacted! No thank your honor. All right, 272 isn't evidence and we and amber i'm going to show you now what is defendant's exhibit 272, and this is what it is. Go ahead, mr depp, to you: do you see that? Yes, i do okay and just so that we can highlight here, he's calling you he says just to let you know that i'm fine, my angel. I miss you, of course, but this was the right thing to do to speed up the process. I love you more than life. Yours steve.
You see that i do so. What if any expressions was mr depp giving you at this point that he was angry with you ever having to help participate with the detox or to be on the island or anything yeah who's? Steve objection form compound. I i'll allow it, but just for trying to keep the record clear. 272 has already been entered into evidence without that reactions, and there wasn't any objection, so i i would wish if i could have both sides to keep track of their evidence.
It's not my job to keep audio about this. Thank you show me the tweets with the senior note to that effect. So, okay, so 272 is an evidence without you can clear the redaction and publish it. It's really the party's responsibility to take care of the record, not mine.
My apologies on that one, your honor all right all right and i overruled the objections. So she can answer the question. Thank your honor. I'm sorry.
Can you remind me what the question is that that's fair, that's, fair guys. What is this the thing johnny is it's sunshine as it's glorious and then he forgets and it's very cold. It's close and he forgets it's very cold. If it's the tension, you feel like.
Don't understand the world, everybody loves them. So much fake news. Okay! Next next fake news, now boys guys there's double fake news. Yes, i guess i'm just guess.
I've not feel like hassan, i feel like i saw nothing, i'm being fed garbage, like some of those lions felt strangely familiar they're, stealing it from tv and books huh. I don't get it, it's not fake. Oh it's not fake. I don't get it well.
It was complete lines and i'd get it, but i mean i don't know. I don't care that much. What, if anything, did mr depp said that you were torturing him on the island and he didn't want you there very confusing for me to hear that um, because, even though he was hallucinating and angry at me at various moments, when you would have these kind of Episodes um, i did nothing right trying to take care of him. Are they live? I'm not not a nurse.
I did my best to support him and he thanked me. He thanked me for the couple minutes. Yeah yeah, yeah they've, been, of course i saved his life. Uh that he wouldn't be able to make this change without me and that this process was horrible and hard on him and us and me, but that he was so thankful that i was there for him. Okay, we can take this down now michelle. Thank you and um we're not watching it live because it's not live yet. Thank you back to september they're on break for another 10 minutes. Do you remember just go? Yes, i do and what? If any connections did you have with mr depp in that time frame? Well, i bargained with him about me doing the role he told me he would um, he would call the actors, it was a mostly male cast, but i bargained with him cashing your honor hearsay, um, don't say what you said just say what he said: okay, he Says i know he reluctantly kind of agreed to me working on this movie or taking a job.
He was filming a different movie in london. At the time i i wasn't going to play a sexualized character. I wore no makeup or minimal makeup in the movie. No sexy clothing, no kissing scenes no sex scenes.
So i went and did that film in october of 2014 in georgia, while he uh finished his movie in london and then at some point. He came out to pick me up in georgia and was there for my last like day or two of filming, i'm going to uh. Ask you to turn to michelle. Can you bring up 310? Please defendants.
310., michelle! You know what to do blow that up. Did you have communications with mr depp about auditioning for another role in this time frame objection your honor, i'm going to object to the exhibit. That's hearsay guys! Can we use? Yes, i don't want to. I don't want to speak too hard about things i don't know, but i feel like this lawyer that she's using for her own questioning um, i think she's kind of not too great at extracting emotions out of her and she makes things a little bit cold.
I know i i get it it's a court case, but it there's a jury and i feel like she could do a better job at it. Um much better, i'm not sure who's in the text exchange it counts. The green is mr depp, and the one i'm most focused on is this coffee's disgusting or the top the green bubble on the second page? Yes, all right, so just that text uh based on your honors ruling. Yes, any objection to that text.
Thank you. If we can get that redacted uh anything was mr depp saying to you in this time frame we're talking in november 2014 about you not working anymore or not, taking on any more work or auditioning objection. You're on our compound they're, all exceedingly subset overruled out loud. Thank you.
Johnny was angry with me uh for working. I finished my job and i needed to eventually find another job, meaning a movie to work on, and he was furious at me for he found like we call them. Sides they're just pieces of an audition pages and he found something that had been sent to me to consider auditioning for, and he blew up at me for um yeah. I think he's what he said to me is that i didn't tell him that i didn't ask him and that, because he didn't know about that, audition that i hadn't done yet that i had been hiding it and was furious at me. I i ended up not doing that audition, i believe. Well, there was a few one or two in that time that i did put my i did audition for and one or two that i didn't. Okay, i'm gon na ask you now to take a look at what is uh defendant's? Exhibit 310 what'd. You say: do you recognize this email from mr deb? Yes, it's a text yeah, i'm going to move for the admission it's in it's in evidence three times.
Okay, so let's see if they are, please tell the jury objection about this text and the context this was johnny's response, uh to me apologizing for having uh an audition. Okay. Thank you all right. Now, i'm going to stay in november of 2000..
Now this is not hiding it i mean, can we see um and did there come a time that sometimes you're not watching live? There's no live now we're watching something that, because it's not live except any more jobs that you were going to stop working, live in five minutes they're on breaks, though johnny said this to me in in an argument in in in a bit of rage. It's the best way i can describe it and kind of alluded to to me. Having agreed to not work anymore, which you, if you don't know me is um, is preposterous. Uh, there's no way.
I would agree to that uh, although i did make concessions and gave up a lot of objections. Thank you. Please continue um, so he reached out to other people and to me to that effect. Uh furious at me for uh taking meetings.
There was one in particular. I i wanted a one meeting i wanted to take because it was a project and development with a sci-fi writer. So i'm surprised in all this john i'm actually surprised that they were taken for a long time and married for a long time or uh a little bit and um. They only had seven million in uh uh divorce.
Isn't that kind of crazy, though, that he makes like hundreds of millions and he has like, like what are like, like 800 mil or 500 mil, and only seven mil and and divorce split, that's kind of crazy. These things were just con. They were just constant and constant fights, but in between them, when things were good between johnny and i he would be they productive, you know he would word it to me. Like i'm trying to look out for you.
You know you say that you don't want to be objectified, you're doing it to yourself. You know you, but at first it was because i dressed a certain way or had sex scenes, and then it just got more narrow and more narrow and more narrow. What i could do without taking without being the blame for why the industry hollywood, the entertainment industry, was putting me in a box and objectifying me, so it became my fault and i believed it. You know i i believed it.
I adopted a lot of these changes myself, not because johnny you know said you have to do it this way, but because of all the other things that he said and did i i eventually found myself. Well, that's what makes decisions about my own career about how i dressed wait! That's what you're! Looking because she took the roles initially and she said she was being boxed uh in the uh uh earlier like last week right, she said she was beating up because she took the rules and she said that they were seeing her as this. Like get naked actress, that's that's what she said, how i wore my hair, how i presented where my eyes were cast when i walked into a room, and i believe those were my own decisions amber. Did there come a time in in november of 2014 that you engaged in some couples counseling with dr cowan and you and mr depp? I think it's live yet we attempted to. I had stopped seeing my therapist at the in 2014. I i had it couldn't sustain. Seeing her and be in the relationship with johnny and i chose johnny um eventually, dr kipper introduced me to his close friend dr cowan, and i met with dr cowan and agreed to let them share communication about my ruining your day. Your selflessness, your affection and your sweet doting deeply into my heart, and i think that i've been reciprocal agony is never the answer to any equation or occasion.
Nor is rage. Please know that my apology is sincere and solid and as stupid as it sounds, i hope you're meeting with clive barker is excellent. You see that yes, okay and then you respond. Thank you for your words and you indicate you just left betty sues.
That's his mother. Yes, and i then had a um uh, a um, a glass of wine with uh, my former agent megan, okay, that um that afterwards um uh, she said she encouraged um objection, hearsay, yeah, okay, thank you sure all right and we can take that down. Let's bring up 325., not back, live yet. Look i have it on.
My second monitor stop. He is steve they're nicknames and this is an email exchange, the following day: 12. 18. 2014.
Is that correct? Yes, okay, you're, going to remove the admission of defendants? 325.. Give me this: let's go it's all right: yeah yeah, they didn't post it all right, we'll take care of that during the break. If you can just share it there, oh yeah, okay! Thank you all right! Okay, thank you. So this is from mr dapper wright says it's a way: i've! Let it go too far, went too far.
Do you see that? Yes, i do. I always regret it. When i jump or worse when you jump, i don't want to be convened. Left depp is also claiming that he is the real victim of abuse in their relationship, but there is so much more heard is countersuing depth for a hundred million bucks over his alleged scheme to tarnish her reputation following the op-ed guys.
I didn't agree at first about the hundred million. I thought i was like oh they're, going too too far ahead right because it's that's how they do it right. You just go hard and then they they go down right, but 100 ml actually reasonable. He was making 70 million at a good time or at 60 million he got and and there was two losses and franchise, what one franchise movie and one big movie yeah 100 mill is like reasonable all right. Thank you all right. Can you seated your next question? Thank your honor michelle. Can you bring up defendants exhibit 236, which has already been admitted? Thank you dummies. This i'm jumping back to the boston plane incident just for a moment.
Oh, we had a lot of different uh texts and a lot of yeah. I just wanted to point out to you. This text message is she's 400. This is from mr depp to you correct.
Oh wow, yes, and this is on 5 25, the day after the boston plain incident, so she thinks that her time and her reward is more. I find myself in a place of shame and regret. Of course i am sorry. I really don't know why or what happened, but i will never do it again.
I want to get better for you and for me i must my illness somehow crept up and grabbed me. I can't do it again. I can't live like that again. I know you can't either and i will for both of us starting today.
I love you again. I'm so sorry, so sorry, i love you and feel so bad for letting you down. Do you see that i do and was that the message that he that you testified to that he gave you yes, okay, all right! Now i'm going to jump back to where we left off we're up in january of 2015. um danish girl, you're filming in london, is that correct uh? Yes, that would have been january 2015.
Okay. Now we heard some testimony from isaac baruch earlier about a telephone call called that you had with mr depp. Do you recall that call i do? Can you please tell the jury and remember to tell them what mr depp was saying on that call, and you can give the back. I didn't mean to cut you off on the context.
Go ahead. Um is it okay to that the nature, the conversation was pleasant, friendly, fine, normal and then uh johnny stopped making sense with this, like you know, he'd start a sentence and then trail off and act confused when i would, i would be confused and that pattern kind Of increased pretty dramatically in a short amount of time, and i was in a hotel room in london speaking to him in los angeles and the phone, what i assumed cut off. I thought it was a connection issue and i remember getting out of bed and walking into the bathroom to get something, and i was redialing him and in the span of that short amount of time we had been disconnected. It was minutes uh, not even minutes.
I called him back thinking, the phone had been disconnected and he sounded answered and he said how could how could you tell me that? How could you say that to me who, who the is he who the is he, and he asked me that a few times and i was so confused - i you know i didn't understand what he was talking about. I expressed that to him. He says who is the guy the one in new york that you're and it was a it - was such a bizarre conversation because it it had already started to feel like he was not making. It was almost as if he was confused by what sentence he had started by the time he got to the end of it and then all of a sudden. He. He tells me that i have just told him that i had a boyfriend or a lover in new york, and i had he's accusing me of having just told him about it, which was crazy to me. Not only was that not accurate, i would never have communicated with him like that more or less called him on the phone to do it and then call him back and wonder what the connection issue was. It was just the most bizarre thing, but he was so worked up, incoherent and accusing me of having had this conversation with him.
Eventually, the line drops out um and i spoke to the person who picked up the phone okay and how did that end um? I no longer spoke to johnny. I probably can't say what the person told me are we talking about isaac beru? Yes, okay, so without saying what he said, you had a brief conversation with mr baruch, and that was the end of the call i did um. That was my understanding. Johnny was passionate about hearsay, okay, all right january 25, 2015.
Tokyo. Please tell it's uh the premiere of morden mordecai correct. Did you accompany mr depp to tokyo for the premiere of mordecai? I i did um when i was. Please tell the jury about that trip.
Well, i had just started to pick out the wedding dress right before that trip and plans were moving for us to get married shortly after this trip. So we took this trip to promote his movie. I went with him. We got in an argument in the hotel room and i um.
I said i don't remember what i said to him, but i said something snotty to to to him that provoked him. It provoked him and when i walked into the hallway, he grabbed me by the arm and slammed me up against the hallway wall, and i kind of struggled with him tried to push him off of me and i managed to get out of his grasp enough to Take a few steps and kind of i kind of curved around and went into the closet and by the time i made it into the closet uh. He had me by the hair and um. I felt like he was just wailing on me, but really is there all my cameras in the back of my head and kind of wrestled me down to the floor.
I i mean it felt to me, like: i didn't even have a fair shot, because i wasn't even really i wasn't facing him or looking at him. I was walking away from him um or else you know i i would have at this point even like had it. I would have tried to defend myself more, but i i didn't i i kind of felt like it didn't see it coming and he just wrestled me down to the ground and i remember uh he was screaming at me.
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