This is like 2019 Scuff Podcast right here. Yeah, it wasn't yeah and then I know some of you some people say um oh dude um drama Farm or whatever I've come to um I've come to determines the fact that I like you both okay uh I'm now friends with the book and I respect you both. Okay and and there are some viewpoints that I agree with on both ends, but I don't agree with the behavior because both of it towards each other on either end. Okay, so I'm not I'm not gonna push drama, just just a farm it.

Okay I think there was two sizes. The discussion: I want you guys to do to have perhaps one that's more personal and one more ideological even though it's more personal. Uh um. First and foremost goes well.

you guys can talk about other stuff but I just want you guys just to check in because the sub tweeting sub clipping is going really bad and I don't mind being in the middle and say yeah, it's bad, like it's just bad I I I okay I see on the other stuff and when I watch I feel guilty so I'm like no, no I'm I'm First of all, you should be abandoning. uh, you know you should be stopping the Lsf. Okay, okay I'm in agreement with that 100 there's no shot, you're done no I I am actually I've been done I asked to be I has to be taking off Lsf I Purposely try to get myself banned. They banned me for a little bit but then you know the drum was too good for them.

So they decided to put me back in uh, forcibly against my will against my wishes. and there's not really much I can do when uh, you know one of the largest subreddits decides no, we're gonna still Farm off of hatred of you so much so that like actual Nazis were talking about how they want to murder me but like haha in a joking way which uh ended up getting to the top of that subreddit numerous times with uh, with a lot of the supporters of said person uh, enjoying that talking about how it's funny. uh meanwhile you know there's a lot of that happens. uh on uh, there's a lot of that happens in the real world that that uh is not so great right that uh I'm not going to talk about I don't want to talk about but yeah, I'm not I'm not a fan of Lsf I don't want to be on Lsf yeah uh I am very much in favor of never being honest I'll be back in one second I just want to make sure this is really good and the lighting is good.

What the okay our marriage counselor left. Okay, so I mean it's fine I'm we're we're both adults. uh let's let's hash it out. Train: What is the uh, you gotta close your blinds I think there's just it's blown out.

No matter. Okay, no I can open them. Maybe? Should I open it? No matter. no matter what happens, it's just too blown out.

There's light coming from behind you. Okay, well now I'm just by myself. All right, No bro. I can hear you.

Oh okay. good. Anyway, all right Train. Go ahead you.

You see this. No hold on. Wait. do you see this one when I Sit down.

Oh no. this is better. This is better. This works.

This works. Nope. it up again. You're backlit.

You're backlit. That's what does that mean I'm backlit. so if there's light in the back the the professional streamer by the way. yes, bro, you need the lights I still have a C920 You understand, my camera is like 99 dollars.

Yeah, that's probably I mean I'm using that as well I Literally Also have a C920 on my Obs. Okay, let's hear it. So Xqc, you said that. Uh, you know there's both sides of this I don't even know what my side of this is I don't even know what this is, but let's hear uh you.

Uh, talk about what both sides of the the altercations are because there's apparently a lot of subtweeting you said is going on. To be fair: I Damn, this is actually kind of working isn't it? Because to be fair, I Don't think we're going to find a common ground for the things Xqc wants us to talk about. but no I want you to buy anything I want you guys to talk about. There's nothing you want to talk about one another.

Well I mean pushing One Direction or not I know there are some things I Spoke with both of you guys on and off stream about this. Well, yes and uh I have a good score of it. and if you don't talk about certain things, you don't have to. Okay, which is fine because I think you guys I have arguments that you haven't that are impossible to diffuse because they're ideologies right.

but well I don't think so I I don't think it's like an ideological difference or maybe it is I don't know I actually don't know. let's so let's I wanna I wanna I Wanna hear from Train about what the what the issues have been? So let's start from the beginning like right? Should we start from the beginning of uh sure I mean see like here's here's a good question to see what we're talking to see what we can so so we can figure out what to choose to talk about right? What is the goal for this call? If we can come up with a goal for this call then we can decide what to talk about. I mean I'm just I'm freestyling I have uh you know I I I don't I never don't have like any opinion on this. So actually I don't I don't get you off again, the goal is you guys stop stop tweeting each other and sub clipping it all the time I don't even I don't even stop.

Yes, you do crazy because you guys do though. Here's it though. like what when when have I something like when I talk about train I I talk about training Like very specific uh, very specific ways I think a lot of people say I'm subtweeting other people but like I don't know I legitimately don't know. So if you have an example, yeah, not a debate.

If you have an example, that would be helpful for me to understand what you mean and then maybe I can clarify. okay, um, uh. things like whatever. Um, you know.

One issue that I've seen in the past right is um, train will will bring up you right? and then he'll bring up Pokey or whatever and then you'll watch the clip and it'll be like oh yo, he's like schizo in one of her and then some stuff around around the gambling so some stuff well hold up I'm not even bringing it back up. some stuff around like his like Cherry stuff or whatever and then your editors could come in the middle and these things don't like them. They're like never ending and then another editor is a is an independent person though. You guys understand that right? No, there's not a cop-out That's right, that wasn't a cop-out He wouldn't be ass blasting me more frequently than you.

He's canceled me more times than he's canceled you. Let's be real. That's completely different, right? That's like if you think that if you want me to control him, and if you want me to like, you know, tell him not to do these sorts of things I have no control over him. He doesn't just work for me.

He works for a bunch of other content creators I'm not saying this is a cop-out Uh, I can barely control him quote unquote which I'm not in the business of doing that to people that I work with anyway. but if I can barely control him to stop uh, blasting my face on the timeline claiming that I uh, take private jets to Coachella and wear Gucci shirts which is a meme that he created and then that Meme literally subsequently got me canceled uh and numerous other. He made an entire video about how many times he canceled me in 2022 so you guys can go watch. Yeah, but yeah, but that's completely different, right? The intentions are completely different there.

but at the end of the day, right? there's a lot. I mean listen, if my if my number one which is like my head mod or head editor was spewing dog right and derailing and just spew an absolute dog out of his mouth right and attacking other streamers and derailing their programs I would be like yo bro, like the are you doing right this idea that you can't control I'm sure. but if you're gonna do business with him and he's going to be your number one guy I Do think there should be a certain talk you have with the dude that he's representing you because that's that's a fact I mean if you're gonna push with the other streamers that people like Xqc and others need to, uh, you know, moderate their chat From going into other chats, you're telling them that you're number one, the one that you're talking to, the closest, doing your content and arguably is your number one you have no control over. So how the do you expect others have control over people that have they have no connection well with right? Yeah, Um, so like I said, there's there's you know There's two different things here.

One uh, as far as like moderating or regulating your communities, you bring up a really good point. There are certain instances. For example, whenever people will say things about Felix especially uh that I disagree with vehemently like people be like oh, he's like toxic he got remember when he got banned from uh, playing OverWatch or whatever and I routinely tell those people that that is unjustifiable and that that is wrong, that they shouldn't actually hold someone to their positions that they no longer hold uh, many, many from many, many years ago just to cancel them. Okay, like it's it's ridiculous.

It's stupid. It's been like almost a decade, that sort of thing. I I Uh, take issue with so I Do regulate my community right? And if you think that something is like incorrect or improper, that's like going on in your chat, you could do the very same thing as well. Um, well.

I do as far as like gambling goes, I don't disagree with Austin Knox in general. Uh. regardless. but I will never be able to control him I am not in the business of like controlling what my editors say or do like.

that's that's a whole ass independent human If He if he has his own perspective then yeah, he's gonna. he's He can address it freely. like I have no editorial control over him. Okay, let me let me put his document.

that Do you think that? um, it's a healthy thing to have? um, an editor that is like his own social media person, right? And let him tweet things that are going to look like go on your behalf even though they're damaging to your views and your goals I Mean he already does do that regularly as a meme half the time when it goes awry. But like I said I it doesn't matter because he is his own person I don't want to I don't wanna I don't want to subject him to any sort of editorial control. Okay, um yeah. I Think it's difficult to hold the argument that uh, I'm not trying to go against you I'm just gonna go on with the photo of the combo I think it's a difficult argument to push uh to say that uh, you want people to moderate their chats You want people to like? oh, the chats are the reflection of the other streamer.

So I'm going to moderate this when you have your editor going wild on certain topics like trains share did I've noticed in the past and kind of like a down for that. So there's one thing that I noticed about about his like charity thing where Austin Knox gonna went crazy on it and it's got like nothing done because I thought that was pretty underhanded and kind of weird. That's completely disingenuous in my opinion. If there was any sort of consistency, I'll get to it.

If there was any sort of consistency in the ideals that you preach and the ideals that he supports, that charity should be separate. That charity is a system that you would think you and even people that do not like me would support. It's not my charity, it's a System created hold on I'm lost I'm lost. Uh, what are you guys talking about I I I'm confused.

So when I announced imagine you originally you originally were talking about like Austin Ox doing the gamble, gamble, gamble, uh video right like that. Yeah, we're talking the derailment. We're talking about the derailment of the mental health care program, right? All the the slander, the distance, the pumping of disinformation, uh, onto Twitter and onto Reddit and on to uh, you know, or within your community on Twitch Like these are the things that I think slowly, uh, start but began to, you know, put a fissure between you and I or put a what's the right word for a a uh, a wedge, a wedge between us, right? It's these kind of things: the mental Healthcare program regardless of your opinion of me or what I do or how I operate my business. That Mental Health Care Program is a program in which its primary goal and purpose is to provide access to mental health care for people who are who otherwise have no access to it.

Financially right, and it's paid for by the rich, right? Each Community streamer puts in let's say 100 to 500k or less however much they want and that provides access to health care. That America's backward system you know isn't providing to these people so that the derailment of that to try and use oh, I'm a gambler and you know this and that he shouldn't be like that is a ridiculous system. And let me go one step further. If not me creating it, shouldn't the real question be why haven't you guys created this system If you're gonna like bash me for creating it, hey, at least step up and do it better.

step up and do it in the first place. So it's just it's really for me, that wedge kind of created when I'm looking at this like okay I'm trying to make something. Which by the way, the gambling arguments were very disingenuous because this Mental Health Care Program started in 2016 before I even touched gambling on Stream So This idea that was spread around that I did this after gambling fix my uh, my uh, Public Image is also this has been going on since 2016. I've made it clear yet right, these people still are allowed to go on your behalf or what looks like to be your be uh, your behalf and spread this disinformation within the community.

which leads to attacks and narratives that literally railroad the program itself across Twitch Like that's an issue. Like these are the things that create the wedges between you and I that that maybe you're not aware of, but this is kind of. You know what's happening. at least in that regard.

You're upset that Austin Ox said that. Uh, you set up your charity to the whitewash. uh, your reputation after people were criticizing you for gambling. Is that correct? Is that what you're saying? Oh no.

I'm upset. That's say that because I listen as far as you're gambling on Twitch uh that I I mean as far as Twitch gambling in general, I had a big problem with that uh I talked about it very openly for many, many years I talked about it personally with uh with XG as well like privately even. um, and that's uh, from the jump I I had an issue with that as far as your own personal uh, charity initiative that you, uh, that you set up, no, it's it's uh, it's admirable regardless of uh What uh, people's personal intentions may be I don't know what your personal uh reasoning for why you uh, put that out there. it's great though.

I I have a that's that's wonderful that you did that. Um, as far as as far as like actually pulling out that video uh I am like I said because I'm watching AC as well he's like pulling up the Austin Ox tweet Well, I'm just I'm just showing people the reference because I think it's important I think people don't know what you're talking about. can you send it in the group chat? so I can uh I can uh also pull it up as well I just thought um yeah, it wasn't it wasn't it I I mean it's the bottom of my heart Okay, um yeah, I don't I don't want to make people think oh, this is a TV one against again, there's no sides here. Okay, there's just this isn't okay.

Um I this one I saw when it happened and I I took notes of it. We're talking about this first. so these kind of it just kind of looks like a TV one. Hold on, Hold on hold on.

I I can't hear you Oh now I can this my Discord is dog. It goes in and out every now and then. Okay, right now. Yeah, yeah, it's just that I think Astronautical is like over the rails about certain things right? in a way that if it went um, against what you what you actually believe in, you would probably I Think Correct him that sometimes.

Yeah, no for sure causes a Ruckus but since you're kind of on the same page as him, then you let him get away with it with which. I I think is a decently unhealthy interaction which ends up making train feel like it. You're pushing his views and then you're uh, kind of approving of his actions. Okay, do you? So this ultimately will always go back to the gambling debate and the gambling conversation.

I Don't know if you guys want to have that conversation again because it's a little bit heavy. Yeah, we can. We can. it's heavy.

Well, because because the reality is that like you know, gambling addiction is very suicidal. uh, it's it's not good, right? So I think uh, what Austin Ox is stating here is that uh, on the one hand, you are contributing to this uh by promoting it while simultaneously you're doing a good thing, but you're still contributing to the problem to begin with. And a big fund of a big part of the funding vehicle still revolves around the the money that you're getting from gambling sponsors. So two things: let me interrupt real quick.

I apologize, but let me interrupt I Don't think I ever I don't By the way, personally, I don't think I ever talked about this on stream. but um, you know I mean I I like I understand what his sentiment is here. It's not something that I would like turn around and correct this. The sentiment is a false comparison.

Though it's a disingenuous false. It's completely disingenuous, right? Because the Mental Health care uh program isn't a program in which I created to sit here and say hey guys, don't do this on stream, Don't do this. Don't behave in this way. It's not me governing the way everyone behaves on the Internet it's a system that is providing access to health care.

To compare it and say oh, Trane does things on stream that may cause mental health uh, issues for some and to say he cannot create a system right? These are two things that aren't comparable whatsoever. I've created a system that provides provides access to mental health care for people who do not have that access because they don't have the financial means to I Believe no I think that's a great thing I think that's a great thing uh I I don't disagree I think that that is a great thing Setting up a charity like that is actually a wonderful thing. Um I think you partnered up with Rad right? That's what you're talking about. Yes, Yes, Okay, um I I Have no issue with that.

That's great. Uh I think that objectively, that's a good thing. uh regardless. I don't know what your original intention were.

If you say that you started in 2016, that's wonderful. Okay, um, ultimately I think what I would compare this to if I were to make a comparison. If I were to like uh, you know, understand. Is there an analogy I would say um, and this is not as damaging and you don't? You're not directly getting uh, you're not directly doing as much damage, but um, are you familiar with uh, uh Purdue Pharmaceuticals I I Thought you would make a pair a little bit like a Bezos with like his like homeless a donation even though that they like Lobby against no, no I mean that that could work too.

this is a more direct one if you were like, let's say a streamer. that was if you were, let's say a marketer that worked with Purdue Pharmaceuticals you got paid by Purdue Pharmaceuticals a fat bag and then uh, after that, you took some of that and then set up a suboxone Clinic that is also still uh, ultimately uh created by Purdue Pharmaceuticals as well the the methadone uh or the the intermediary drug that people usually get off of heroin originally is also created by Purdue So they set up a problem and then they set up a A. They set up a solution to said problem as well. They double on the profit along the way.

You're not doing that I'm not saying that you're doing that at all. Okay, because you're not Purdue chemical. Here, you're not Purdue Pharmaceuticals Here you are, However, like taking some of the money that you got from gambling and putting it back into that I don't know uh if you want me to like, undermine Austin Knox's point. but I'm pretty sure that's the point that he's making Ultimately is that like you are contributing to the problem by spreading further gambling addiction and then simultaneously helping uh, some of the people, uh, recover.

Now ultimately, it's larger than that. Addiction is a much larger, lifelong problem and that I do think that it's a good thing and there will be people that will be, uh, benefiting from, uh, you, facilitating their mental health treatment. So I think that it's a ultimately a good thing. Okay, and I applaud you for doing it.

Okay, um yeah. I think okay. this is this is the this is the feelings I'm getting through talking to both of you guys. That's kind of like the the vapors that I'm getting from All this is that since Asunox is rambling about it like that in a negative light, that goes.

that goes directly to undermine made the programs look bad look worse, my train look like a hypocrite or stupid when he does this and you later finally the radar. it makes train feel from what I feel in the past that um you approve of it and that you're kind of like almost like green lighting the whole thing and it creates a wedge I mean in YouTube because then he sees you as Hassan astronauts's whole vibe right? because it's not said something you didn't agree with them, you probably correct them. so since you don't correct him, he feels like you agree with them. That's how he feels well again.

but I but I also don't I I don't agree with uh one I have once again I Want to repeat myself here: I have no control over Austin Ox and you're asking me to check him on behalf of yourself in this situation. um if it was something that was like like for example if Austin Ox like tried to implicate you in the cover-up of a sexual assault or something like that and I knew for a fact that you had nothing to do with that I would immediately hit up astronauts and be like that's not something you should do I think that that is unacceptable I don't think that you agree with this or even if he did agree with it I would ask him why and I would probably try to correct the record. Okay, that's one thing I would do in that circumstance because I think it's it's not because he's associated with me by the way. I don't care about that because I do think that he is his independent person, but because uh, I you know I treat him with dignity and respect I think he's a peer and a very talented one and I think that he would be doing something wrong in that situation.

That's what I would do in that circumstance in this one. As far as the possible negative implications of him associating you with someone who is promoting gambling and and uh, therefore creating more gambling addiction, therefore creating more people that might need, uh, mental health treatment I Don't disagree with the major Point that he's putting out the nearest representation of like that's it's it's completely disingenuous if I listen I enjoy gambling and I gamble right? I've done it since the beginning in every video game I could I've done it since I've started streaming right? So if I'm gambling okay and I'm putting the precautions out there to draw this. this conclusion that I'm uh, like the problem is with what you're saying, it sounds like I'm intentionally creating this and then creating a system as a result to the my guilt of creating no I don't think you I don't think you intended. that's the way it's presented.

You understand like it's presented as if I've disingenuously grabbed the bag. I don't like gambling I Go live. The effect of it is this: I Feel guilty now that I'm rich I've created a program to uh, cover my like. That's the way it's presented and that is completely disingenuous.

And it's leaving out a lot of the facts. It's leaving out the truth to push certain narratives right. And that's the issue, right? That's that's the problem. My responsibility as a streamer is to not deceive viewers and trick them into starting something based off of a false reality, right? So if I enjoy gambling I believe I Can gamble If you enjoy drinking right, you can drink.

If you enjoy smoking a cigarette, you can smoke a cigarette. Obviously, give the precautions. Give this and that to mix. I Mean when you're getting paid by, you know Marlboro though right? like and and you know you're you're doing the equivalent of like I don't think so, raising an entire pack.

But if if, well, no. because listen. if I gamble like this off stream and gamble on stream, right? And I'm being paid for my contract is only exclusivity. It's if you gamble, use this site.

That's my contract. I don't have affiliate codes I don't have to hit a certain number of hours I mean the last three four months, right? I have I got paid the same yet I streamed for what one fourth, one-fifth of time my contract is exclusivity and peer exclusivity. That's all it is. So it's like Marlboro is saying hey, if you're gonna smoke a cigarette on stream like you already are, just smoke our brand right? That's the difference.

Yeah, look, we've We've debated this subject into the ground. I I Feel like it's it's not good content at this point? Yeah, exactly. And I Also think that this is a part of gambling that you guys are forgetting to. Um, that people are gonna like letting go of, right? So some of the semantics are pretty important.

pretty important around it. I Think we could have a a small new discussion about the importance of the semantics because sometimes we we get caught up, we get caught up. Um, okay, let's just move up on that. we can put down later because this thing I'm telling you about that this will devolve like crazy.

Okay, well no no no no, let's finish the gambling Sunday right? So what is the whole thing? Yeah, let's finish the game and talk and then we can move to you know, socialism and from there we can move to whatever the else right? Okay, sure, yes. So so let me ask you this. Okay, so if these are your reviews on gambling right? Where's the consistency in them, right? You and others spent so long right coming at me right and talking about the gambling that I do when there is actual predatory shady going on, Whether it's affiliate codes, whether it's only showing wins, whether it's sports betting, which, by the way, I don't know if you've looked up the statistics on that sports betting is most prevalent in underage. it's the most under eight.

Uh, for underage gambling, it is the most done thing for underage. Uh, children, right? Sports betting, right? The very platform you stream on is a deal with sports betting. Sports betting ads are played everywhere, right? your friends? Absolutely. I am absolutely in agreement with you on that.

Where's the outrage? Well, I have actually routinely and consistently covered not only sports betting being awful across the board and really damaging across the board uh, for Twitch, which of course they after, uh, shutting down Stake, still continue to announce their partnership with other Uh websites and and other platforms where you can engage in sports betting. Uh, I've also talked about the larger consequence of sports betting becoming more normalized in uh in professional sports in the NFL the league being literally sponsored by uh DraftKings and whatnot and I do think that that has really damaging implications. Uh, this is something that I have consistently talked about. I've even brought it up in videos where I've talked about stake and gambling as well.

So like I said in a lot of instances, I think Felix is right. People like to see it like people will see like a clip, get upset about that clip and not really look at uh, everything that I'm stating everything that I've talked about and immediately rushed to find something that like maybe shows hypocrisy or whatever in their mind. but it's oftentimes. uh, you know it's oftentimes just a a clip that was clip chimped and not the main one.

Okay, this is something that I think is no, there's something that I think is is wrong. So I agree with you if you want to. if you want to join that support. I mean I I've I've talked about it like I've literally pushed against legislation that would legalize it as well.

so uh, even in the state of California So this is like this is something that I uh have been very consistent on. okay, um, if you want to watch as well I feel like not only your involvement other people I feel like in general people have been very adamant about, um, advocating against a certain thing. It's oh yeah, but we're against the rest, but whatever. the first thing kind of went out right nobody and nobody's ever.

So I'm not carrying it like no, nobody cared I feel like there needs to be okay when you're talking to someone who does care and uh, regardless of whether or not I'm like still consistently pushing for it which I am. but even if I wasn't here. by the way, if you want to see my thoughts on sports betting in general, good I just linked to a video uh in the Discord that is just purely about sports betting by the way, unrelated to you or unrelated to crypto gambling in general? Um, uh, but just purely in my take. Don't you feel like there's a, there's a, you know, a disingenuous line of how much time spent on one verse, the other? Like briefly mentioning it in a video or talking about it, you know? no, no, this is, fortunately.

Well, that's just. that's uh, a 20-minute uh, snapshot of one of the many instances where I've talked about it. Um, You and Your Friends spent like a year and a half pushing for the Banning of gambling and then move the goal post. Once Twitch came out and said they were gonna selectively ban gambling, right? it's still it is everywhere on the platform.

Twitch itself has a deal. Amazon has a deal I agree. I Think it's everywhere. So like an outrage.

Where's the same boycotting and threatening of boycotting of of the major ad months like where where was this? It stopped when I couldn't uh, you know, gamble on stream? It stopped when I couldn't as soon as that went away. right? If anything I think that if anything I think that. um, well. one.

I think stake getting uh, hammered. basically cut the directory uh, by a lot I Don't know a little bit obviously on this topic, right? Don't be men. uh. And then there's another bad thing as well.

On top of that, if you're able to just make do with whatever you can, uh with wherever you can exercise, uh, any kind of collective action, it's good, right? Um, the existence of other bad things does not negate exists of one bad thing, which is what: I think a lot of people did. they understand their powerlessness in the face of large corporations that are constantly profit seeking. So they took a dub and they moved on. It wasn't a personal slide against you, but more so that people I assume others, uh, saw something happening in their own environment, in their own platform, did not like it, and tried to put an end to it and they put an end to at least some of it.

There's always compromise and I think this was basically the compromise I think Twitch knowingly, uh, uh, you know, put steak up at the stake and executed it in an effort to continue doing gambling. uh, uh, but by other means I Think my point to all of this is I would just like to see some consistency because it feels like uh, the topics that you or others are passionate about come down to like streamer politics and streamer narratives like that. That's all like if you push for anti-gambling if you push for this, I Just want to see consistency among all of it, right? Whether it's sports betting like slot poker, well listen, poker is I think a major like right now I Believe all the Pokemon Listen I Don't believe poker, Sports betting or slots or Blackjack should be banned right? I Think it's fine I Think wait can I just show something really quickly? By the way, it seems like slots took a massive nose dive, going from like average concurrent viewers being consistently in the 40ks to to basically just like less than half. It's growing again.

but you know, uh, there's two seconds? Well, there's two sections for it now, right? So what you want to look at is the slot section and now the Virtual Casino section. So now there's two sections that are, uh, massive and it's still being ran by, you know, and primarily unlicensed casinos in the US which I would argue the license. The licensing argument is a little disingenuous considering the fact. The only difference there is whether the US government has their hand in the pot or not.

Which is another thing, right? Yeah, What's another thing? The goal post gets moved in regards to that topic. Right on one hand, the US government doesn't write whether it's what you preach or others the US government can't be trusted. uh, to look out for you know, the people's best interests. But then when it comes to gambling, yeah, and then suddenly the US government is credible, right? It has to be Us license.

and then it's okay. Like it makes no sense I just want consent consistency throughout everything through and through and a good example of this is for the poker stuff, right? The excuses being made for the poker stuff is very disingenuous. This idea that poker is a game of skill. Sure, at the point zero, zero, one percent.

uh uh uh uh. professional levels. Yeah. I'd agree with that.

It minimizes the the gambling going on. but the 99 are playing it just like any other table game. blackjack or what, whatever the case might be, you are talking. You're talking to someone who, uh, not that long ago, uh, turned and turned down an offer of half a million dollars to play poker on stream.

So I'm probably not the best person to be asking uh or talking about these sorts of things. Uh, and the reason for why I did that is because, well, one, while I do think that uh, poker at least has some level of skill, it is not as easily accessible I still personally, but it doesn't matter. It does matter because the 99 I don't know how to put I don't know how to play so I don't know how to play poker I I Literally cannot watch someone playing poker and be like, all right, I'm gonna do the same thing. there is A there is definitely a level.

uh, there's There's definitely an additional layer there. but I don't know why we're debating on like the the minutia and the difference in different kinds like I understand that train but I already said I Already said that the diff the the other bad things happening right does not negate or take away from the fact that like one bad thing was eliminated from the platform. Yeah, but one thing. one bad thing was eliminated because you and other streamers decided to make a very big deal about it.

and when that one bad thing I eliminated you went quiet. why not continue your Crusade Why not continue with the same passion and motivations I Do advocate for a lot of things including uh, let me bring up the point then then uh, I I think I think it's a train's, like missing a piece. That's kind of importance, right? It seems like Trent is here Hassan is there. then the gambling happens and then uh, obviously you and other people are like, uh, crusading against against Shrine and gambling it just enough since the cause is against gambling.

but then somebody who's also close to that you you see less as an enemy. lovely Again, that's a big there's a big poker tournament, right? a massively sponsored Legend with like a Mr Beast and ninja whatever right which is uh, from it was in the casino. they're just pure gambling it right? And there isn't the same sort of outrage slash comments slash Crusade against that behavior and it's not like doing it which is somebody who's close to you. So why uh, do we not see the same sort of actions? Um, some people might.

Okay, I can't speak for everyone else, but I can say for my own from my own perspective, um, some people feel powerless in the face of a multi-billion dollar industry that is making a permanent space for themselves by pushing legislators to ease restrictions and regulations. Uh, whether it be DraftKings or numerous other ways to gamble. Uh, and I think that that is, uh, seen as like an impossible thing to combat. So people have just basically taking the dub, Uh, taking the dub and just moved on because they don't even want to think about it.

This happens very frequently. Uh, it's it's they. They see it as like a compromise probably and and they're like, all right, Well this is a this is a a battle that we can pick and choose. This is one aspect of it and can you? There's one aspect of it that that uh, you know they they see as like a like a minor W in the grand scheme of things and that's probably why they've moved on.

I Assume Well, it seems it seems a little convenient right? Like others do it. no one says anything yet. when I was doing it, years and years of pushing right at all the streamers banding together and then I mean look at this twitchcon it was announced to be in Vegas and everyone's Silent Not even that is enough to stir up like what the is going on here like oh there are there are a lot of convention centers uh I think that's probably the reason why they did that? No no, but look, but for the record you're you're you're trying to to make me argue other people's perspectives and I can't do that because I don't know I'm not trying to argue his perspectives. all I'm asking is a consistency.

This idea that when it was around me right? and this isn't just the individual uh uh, you know one-off where it's only happened with me for gambling and also you know you know I love gambling right? Like you know I mean I literally took I took feelings to a Casino when when he was in when he was in Vegas I I don't have problem with gambling I like gambling personally. Okay, there's a difference between what I like to do versus what I do on camera uh and and what I see is like Promotional and what I get paid to do like I I have gambled I I have a gold like what am I I think I'm a a gold level at uh uh the the M group okay I go to Arya like that's that's the hotel I go to Did you not know any of this? You could have just like asked the X you see Yeah, um yeah. so so my perspective overall okay is that gamblings ingrained everywhere right? and we can break down the what is gambling but gambling is crazy. it's it's everyone on Twitch right? And it it seemed like all the efforts to go against Gamba felt like they were against the top dogs on the gamma sections.

Once that was done, everybody moved on from all types of gambling but it was. It'd be poker slots supporting it's like everyone flat and radio silent which failed, disingenuous and felt targeted and was a crusade against individuals and not against the system and that's how the people felt in my opinion. Okay, that's your feeling I don't know what the individual motivations were from every single person and I can't speak on it, but my own personal perspective has been pretty pretty open from day one and and pretty consistent too. Okay so to kind of go back to what? let me answer this.

So I think what I was asking for was just the consistency of of the like the the application of these standards that were only set on me and this isn't a one-off situation right? Let's go back to the Gordon Ramsay days right? I can point out an exact pattern for you I Love this. Yeah. I mean is it not the same thing I I watched Gordon Ramsay where this comes from I I I I I Love this? Do you not remember Dude? I Want to know why you say this all the time? because like I've always been a React Andy and if I had uh criticized you for straight up watching an entire episode Okay, first of all, my community I think my core Community or what you think of me in general minorities, yeah, those sucks. This is where you uh, pair up with all the time.

uh I I have to I have to make a note here I happen to react to Andy since day one I've been in React 90 since day one. That's 100 true and you know it. I've been watching shows and watching YouTube videos on my screen since day one because I don't play video games when I did the Gordon Ramsay stuff. so I always found it funny that you like said I was uh, on a crusade against you for the Gordon Ramsay brother I was being pushed by you and listen I remember this specifically because I found it extremely hypocritical that you know uh, because the arguments I was seeing was train is exploiting uh, the workers at Fox and he's stealing it from them.

He should be sued and jailed right? And then you covered it a couple times. Sure, there was days where you gave me uh, same guy said you exploited words like Fox you know this was a narrative within the core Community right this course Community not mine reddits at the time. Yes, yours if they were If they were, saying that, train, yes they were I Remember eight times There's no way that people in this community or people said this in my chat because that would directly Target myself as well. So how could they be a man of mine? How I know you're going to say they're hypocritical and it doesn't matter.

It literally doesn't make sense. It comes to me when it comes to me this little point. to this. this is all I Asked Train if you're gonna say that they're on Reddit and that's why they're saying it.

You have to understand like there's a difference like you have held on to this Grudge for a long time and I've always been very confused. I've always been very confused as to where that came from and I think I'm gonna need some mediator Felix uh takes in here since it's not gamble related and you can actually be the referee. Train is stating Gordon Ramsay Days Okay, your core Community not everybody. Obviously, we shared a lot of viewers back then, right? your core Community the more vocal minority uh, political ones, right? they and yourself.

There were days. Yes, there were days where you kind of dismissed me like nah, whatever, right? But there are days you went in on certain Reddit comments or sorry Reddit post back then I was actually viewing Reddit like that right where you were. Literally, you were supporting the pushing of the narratives of me doing a terrible thing watching Gordo then what happened a year later I would love to see that video If you have a video of it like I I would love to I I would actually love to see that because that would be shocking to me. especially because since a lot of things I mean CS go cases I got came out for that company day one.

Uh well. first of all, Among Us CS go. These are things that I I did not uh, talk about you in any way. CS go cases that there's a timer I was opening every day for like a year and a half every day I did two thousand dollars worth of Cs go cases and the same Arguments for gambling were pushed then right yet everyone was opening them.

Yeah, you have to say how I have contributed to this. You can't constantly say your community on Reddit we're we're pushing for this thing. for part of the groups that were pushing for these things. were you standing up and not saying okay, that's that's wild I can't I I like you're that's insane I'm sorry.

like that, that's crazy. Disagree there I mean never I Remember I've never done that I don't know why you're saying I'm doing it in like communities that I'm a part of are doing it. Like You Gotta Give me something. You gotta give me something.

Let me give you this. Let me give you this. Why do you think it was so shocking for everyone when you and Pokey and the others begin to watch Gordon Ramsay A year later, Why do you think there's drama around that? There wouldn't be no Listen. there wouldn't be an issue.

There's drama around me when I buy a shirt. There's people in this. There's people right now that are still bringing that up or buying a house. There's drama around everything I Do Oh, there's drama around the hypocrisy.

around the heat that I got and you guys watching it. I Wouldn't be brought up if you guys watched a year later and you got hate for it. You understand I was wrong. There's drama around me watching watching a show because people love on streamers.

You're a streamer. People on you all the time, sometimes unjustifiably no shot brother. There was drama specifically between like I was being brought up in that he everyone knew it. I remember the years when I was getting heat and then you guys decided to watch on stream.

A year later it was. It blew everyone's Minds people didn't even watching I was watching I was watching 90 Day Fiance when you were watching Gordon Ramsay So I don't know why you're saying this like it literally is something that I've been in like it's literally been something that I'm not only an advocate for I am such a firm believer in. Not even about IP started on my second round of Gordon Ramsay The hate I'm referring to was the first round of Gordon I'm Incredibly, you're you once again I have to I have to reference something here I have been a react streamer from the jump. Okay, a react streamer literally from the jump I've always reacted.

Not only that, I don't know. Also, do not believe in IP personally. So much so that I've allowed everyone to literally do whatever the they want with my IP That's why there's like a thousand different Hobby fan channels out there, some of which have hundreds of thousands of subscribers get demonetized by. YouTube YouTube is constantly trying to get me to take their uh YouTubers they're trying to get me to take them down and I still advocate for them to to maintain uh their monetization I don't care about IP if you think that I think that you were exploiting Gordon Ramsay or anyone else I Don't believe that I think you have the time frames messed up right the time I'm referring to of when I was watching Gordo you were not reacting yet.

You understand you were not the first year of your streaming. You were not reacting. That was the year that the Gordon Ramsay stuff started. You understand it was before you started your reacting face.

You understand me? It was during that time. This idea that you were reacting side by side with me is not the truth when I watched Gordon Ramsay I don't think you were watching me but it's fine. uh Felix you pulled something up there. What was that? was that one guy in my chat or something bro I'm trying to I'm trying to find it as hard as I can I mean it doesn't I'm trying to support both sides I'm looking for both sides.

all I see is uh is a clip of train uh uh and he's modding in this clip about the fact that that you call them out um for the gourmetry days and it seemed like it was like maybe like two years ago. um okay, but like but is there any clip in there of him reacting to me saying something about train directly reacting because I doubt it I've been a reactor from the jump I'm uh I'm trying I think overall people were very much against the uh stealing of like shows in their entirety I've never been against that I've I'm literally I'm So Pro that uh I do it all the time I got fake Dmca and and people loved it if you recall. yeah I'm looking for tips on both right now, but listen obviously is trained Molly about a certain Clipper thread that happened in the past and I guess I still can't find the clip? Okay, but but like if you can't find the proof, are you? are you willing if you want to make a man's train? if you can't find the proof, are you willing to to uh, let go of this whole like Pokey and and Hassan or here you wanna you wanna link that to me? That would be great. Um but if you're if you're willing to to make amends here, would you be willing to drop that like I've been an advocate against you from day one for like reacting uh because I have been a reactor myself I don't know the reacting yes you have interacting yourself but not during this during the time that I was watching Gordon Ramsay the initial period.

Okay, but you gotta find someone because I I legitimately don't know what you're talking about when you say this all the time and you know during the period that you're playing like fortnite Call of Duty and doing some political content. it was during that time it was before when I was playing fortnite off of a a GoPro camera on my PlayStation uh which is how I started off of like a PlayStation Eye camera I still would react to you want to know how I would literally put up the Congressional testimony from like political stuff we're not talking about. We're talking about the watching of shows that whenever from the political reaction we're talking about watching of shows I just listen. The point of this conversation is to shed light why both of us we have been just that's what their argument was that I'm I'm showing them here's where it comes from I don't know where you're coming from with uh respected this.

So if you have proof and if you find like, here's the thing yeah I'm willing to apologize like if you if I have said something if I have said something that you truly were like genuinely upset about and it's not just like some guy on Reddit or whatever the if you find something and you show me like I will literally apologize to you because I don't think I ever did that. You have been saying this for so long though that it's basically like it basically became permanent in your mind and also in the minds of many people in your community and in other communities as well. So I'm telling you if there is a moment where I have like on you, uh if I've said like oh dude that guy train like reacting to uh videos is all he does like I hate that or whatever the I will genuinely apologize to you. but I don't think there is a clip okay okay I bug it I've dug in a bunch of Clips a bunch of stuff again.

um I think we're gonna have to let this go because one I think that the comments that that uh Assad made I think the stuff you were saying it we're a little bit, uh, subjectively a little bit, like slide on the fly. Yeah, what colors did I make What comments did I make no no, it's not like it's important. This is important because this is something that he's been saying for. Okay, this is something that Train has been saying for for a while.

Okay, okay, there's something he's been saying for a while. The only thing I was able to find is him actually cheating on you xqc. Fair enough for the live streams haters about the Gordon Ramsay thing from four years ago here: I found it well I think Trump's dumb I don't give a if you saw me because I on him too okay uh okay, it's not even about me I think train thinks like you were the one who uh yelled at him or whatever the and he like thinks it's me no it I remember it was you okay and it was you and others. or do you want it to be me because it's a more appropriate person like this tweet right here on what you are right because it was like I guess molding the people were writing to this content and you reply his son he says it's a platform where we watch you every day I I think I Think it's fair to assume you're referencing uh Train spamming uh go Ramsay content in a slyway right? like what I was watching Gordon Ramsay at that point, way after Felix I was watching him.

Okay, yo chill, chill out. But this is important. Minor things like this get misconstrued in the minds of a lot. That's good.

And then they go. Oh Hassan is a hypocrite. so like me I was watching him, that was a dumb chatter. then you rolled me.

That's a good thing. Yeah, how's it sound like no, it doesn't matter. Give a about that they operate off of Vibes Anyway, the only clip I found was four years ago trained responding to livestream fails haters about Xcc watching Gordon Ramsay I linked it in the in the the Discord if you want to watch it, that's four years ago. four years ago was 2019 Correct, this would be 2017-28 20 20.

Okay, but if you but like you gotta, you gotta bring something here because I I am telling you my memory God that's what I'm bringing. Oh no you can't You're expecting me to have clips from six years ago. It is on stream. You've been you If I've said this on stream.

If I've said this on stream you should be able to like literally you've been talking about it since. Wait, did you say 2017. I said like end of 27 2018. it was when I was still living with Mitch I literally started streaming like consistently in the second half of 2018.

I started my first day streaming was 2018 I think March back I did not know who you were back then Yeah so when I started talking about you I don't know who you are I didn't know anything about Twitch Gordon Ramsay From right I started the reacting stuff like 2017 end of 2017 20 beginning of 2018 all the way through to 2019 right? And that's when you guys, you and other streamers pushed onto the hate because I was getting a lot of attention I was watching Gordon Ramsay I was one of the you know I was up to 20 22 23 000 viewers at the time compared to now the main Lsf clip that you're referencing I think you got your days up and maybe it's not your fault, but the main Lsf clip that you're referencing is from I Guess three years ago, maybe I don't I'm not entirely certain. uh, it was. Our articles were written on it in 2019 Trainwrecks TV streams MasterChef on Twitch for three hours without being punished. Then it's 2018 2019.

I started streaming in 2018 I did not become a full-time streamer until 2020 I was on your shows on the Scuff podcast and yeah, found out about you I think in like in at some point in 2019 Yes so if you're saying that this is when I actually on you okay I think you're wrong it was before you were reacting to it I Also Not only that not only that but I also have apparently in 2021 recognize you as the OG Master Chef Andy has spoke yes I saw that that was after when you that was around the time you started watching yourself so you have no evidence for your statements I have proven that not only have I supported you before being the OG MasterChef videos. Listen I don't need to have evidence I know I do know Of course you need to have evidence. Uh brother. I'm telling you what I went through during those times when I was watching it.

This is what happened. Public understand it. This is what happened. You sat there creators.

That's a lot of things you just said. did I let it happen Did I not defend your honor or did I directly attack you? Did people in my community say that? because what you need to understand here is you just lumped up a bunch of different things in here and I I don't think you have evidence? Profoundly important? Yeah, yeah. I I think I think again. It might be It might have been a combination of small things or not a big thing.

The reality is, we cannot find evidence I Feel like I'm arguing against your demons? We cannot. Okay, personal insults show. I Don't think okay, it wasn't it. We're not gonna.

We haven't found hard evidence nothing. I'm saying like it's a fabrication. Like what am I saying brother, Listen. Listen.

If this was only me saying this and others were like and everyone was saying, who else is saying it? Listen when you started watching it, do you not remember the hate that was pushed toward everyone specifically regarding the hate that I got from you guys versus you guys Now watching it there was. There was so many streamers who commented on it. Do you understand? Like okay, it might have been Uh, Small Things Big things. Well now we can't find it.

We have to move on. This is how it is. Okay if this, if that's how you felt, it's back from this. But but hold on one look, if we're making amends.

Can you say that you might be misremembering certain things Or because if you have something and you show it to me, I will genuinely apologize to you. Do you understand Because I because in that moment I would be in the wrong I would be hypocritical. If you want to make amends, this is how you're supposed to make events if you have an instance. If you have a video because I was streaming at the time I've been streaming.

You've been talking about this for years and years. if you think that this is the original culminating like divide between your community and my community between you and I If that's what you think is is a is a really important enough thing. Good. It's not so much an important thing to me.

it's more so. It's more so a showing of pattern. That's why I brought it up right. It's a showing of pattern that whenever I do something, you can't show a pattern without any evidence whatsoever.

especially when I'm saying like I would I would literally apologize to you if if it's actually a thing that I did. Because right now it seems like you're placing a lot of blame on me for comments that you got on. Reddit from God knows whoever the and let's be real if there's another. If there's one enemy of Reddit that is maybe sometimes a bigger enemy than you, but not often, but sometimes bigger enemy than you, it's me.

So I don't think people on Reddit like me. The only time they like me is when you went so far overboard with like Hassan is a piece of that. They were like, all right, maybe we're going a little too harsh on this guy. That is the last time that Reddit actually uh defended me and probably the first time and we'll never do it again.

Okay, yeah, yeah, I sent my boss send that people again to look for clips and stuff like that. Okay once. once we go back to this later on, okay, whether they found or not I guess it takes a proper measure right now when we have no evidence, we cannot make a call again like okay I can't make one of these apologize or moderate in a nice way. we have nothing on end we have.

we want to change topic alerts we will not get anywhere. Okay, no no it's it's good, it's good I just like I Just want to make sure though that like you know, people understand that I and I want train to understand first and foremost like this is not something that I believe this is not something that I think I ever said about you. uh but this is something that truly I guess it it hurt your feelings. So I want to make sure that you understand that that is not my position at all.

It's not that hurt my feelings, it's just a showing of pattern like every single every single time I do something. The streamers uh uh they come together and they push for my cancellation. They push for train is evil I don't know dude dude, come on train, come on now that's a come on back to you. that's a come on back to you.

come on, what do you mean? Come on back to me. Is this going to be like Mostly because the way I see it I'll be brutally honest the way I see it is like I have actively tried to avoid conflict because I don't want to get the I'll be honest, you have a you have a sizable Community you've been a big dog in the scene for a very long time. I've actively tried to avoid conflict with you because I don't want to I don't want people to like, uh, constantly come into my chat and like bring me into drama. okay I I am not like I know everybody loves saying like Hassan loves inserting himself in the drama or whatever.

but usually until something is like newsworthy or something goes too far I don't usually talk about okay I don't care about it enough. I this is the 20th anniversary of America's unjustifiable invasion of Iraq That's what I was talking about all day. For the most part, you know what I mean like that's what I'm covering. uh uh, usually when I'm not doing like dumb reacts or whatever.

So for me in particular, if you are saying like, oh, all these streamers are getting together, all these streamers are actually yelling all these things uh, about me and you add me on to that without any sort of like, serious, uh, evidence to back it up, then I'm only arguing against your own personal perspective and your own personal assessment of a situation that may or may not be real. Okay, so you're gaslighting me. Now that's what you're saying. We've had this conversation apparently on Twitter as well.

It's not. it's not even you that I'm upset at. It's your core community that brigaded all the Gordon hate threads and now sit there with no shame enjoying their time I Hate like that. All of them should be ashamed I said listen I at least admit you were first Also I've been a react to any before it was the meta and I said why would my community of react enjoyers Brigade others reacting lol and you said don't play stupid Leave that to the ASMR streamers I said you are wrong on this 100 ironic.

that's what the hate thread said then too. Um and that's it. That's where Like the conversation ended I'm forcing to move on guys I swear Could I finish chat? Uh guys with with actual proof of something. Okay, okay, it wasn't another topic I saw a day-to-day see that's what I mean by their sub tweeting it which caused I think a lot of harm in both the communities.

Okay, it's Hassan on train undermining it's turkey earthquake fundraiser and cause enough for promoting crypto gambling. Why did this happen? why did it start and why did it start I think Hassan focused on a part of a clip that wasn't even my intentionally someone I think someone in your someone in your community found something I think in my community in my community I mean this yeah, in your in your suburbs I think yeah it's quite easy just to do a few squatties here and then you should be a joke. oh my God yeah Instead, you should take it out of Greek videos cheating on Greek and then wait what they're saying this is Shameless this is on caught in 4k on scuff as a joke like literally me making a joke on uh, the Scuff podcast took it seriously and thought that that was hypocrisy I don't even know if that's like I don't even know if that's actually the the case. Let's send it.

But whether just that or not I think I think she probably saw his wife so much bro. I have so much evidence as to why like I have been so consistently against this point I do agree that they're losing their over reacting well I Do agree, right? that until we find evidence of of you doing I don't think yeah, but there's evidence to the contrary and no evidence on the other side. at a certain point we have to, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence. Yeah, from my end showing that I've like been an advocate for reacting to saying that all content is derivative.

like why is this even a point of consensus when you've got to be like okay, you know what? Maybe I was wrong on this. That's all I'm expecting. That's all I want that. That's how.

that's how you know. Amends are made right? Yeah, for sure. Then it's not. jump the gun and make sure we come back to this in a couple minutes.

Right then we have all everything that we need instead. Otherwise, where to fix the problem And fix a new problem for no reason? Okay, I do agree that ends with the contrary seems a little bit heavier, right? unless we find something I disagree. Well, I don't find anything in so I I I Think you have a lot of points on a lot of topics and and Hassan has a lot of points. A lot of topics.

I think we're getting caught up. What are the points? What are the points that he brought up he didn't pre he what