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I'm sure you've already heard the tragic news you might still be in tears about it and i'm not really here just to reopen the wound and pour salt in it. But i think it's important we talk about. What's going on last night, pokemane was banned from twitch. She was banned for watching avatar, the last airbender on stream, but she took it like a champ.
She was making a joke about it, saying the fire nation attacked, but they're releasing her in 48 hours, so she got a 48 hour suspension for it. This dmca was handed down by viacom the boogie man of the internet. You do not want to mess with viacom. If you even think you accidentally saw a clip of something.
Viacom owns make sure that you scrub everything, call your lawyers immediately and make sure when you go to bed you're sleeping on your back. You don't want to sleep on your stomach in that case, because viacom will come in while you're asleep and you in your ass viacom is ruthless with how it enforces its rules and its copyright viacom will go through your goddamn 8th grade report card check. Your sat scores look for any parking violations you might have had and they will just look for anything to slap you with and ruin your life over. They are truly relentless.
You might not remember this, but back in 2007, viacom sued youtube for a billion dollars. Viacom alleged that youtube was engaging in brazen copyright violations where they were profiting off of their copyrighted work with all of these creators uploading their material and they sued youtube. It took three years for the first decision, which was in youtube's favor, but then viacom came back. Some of it was overturned, but ultimately in 2014, youtube did come out on top, but while youtube may have won, creators still lost.
Because do you know what came as a result of this? The automated copyright system, which is still being abused and broken to this day? This situation super similar to what's happening on twitch right now, with creators brazenly engaging in copyright violations where they're, knowingly broadcasting copyrighted work in their entirety, and they know full well and openly admit that it is a dmca problem and they just want to see how far They can push it and when people bring up that this could have a bigger impact on the site than just their personal streams. They usually are just met with the streamers saying they don't really care they'll just take the dmca band for two days and then be back like it's no big deal, which is a pretty selfish and silly take because there is clearly a history. They can look at to see how it negatively impacted the entire platform i'll get into that a bit deeper in a moment, but just off the top of my head. If i had to quickly spitball a potential apocalypse like an upcoming doomsday, if this problem continues, i feel like twitch might just revert to how it was back in like 2015, where they outright frown upon reaction content on their platform, where they don't really allow youtube videos To be played and watched on twitch and back then, if i remember correctly, even some big way, but isn't that guys isn't this? The argument that's been paraded all the time, though, that that people say everything is lazy, dude. Why don't we go back to the old days dude? I can't wait to tell people don't do reddit and just just do original right. This is what people want. So, what's the problem, if this get, if this gets us there quicker, then what's the problem streamers did receive like some warnings or even a band from watching youtube content, the meta for watching and reacting the content back then was you'd. Have the big screen, like the main screen, be runescape or league whatever game and then a small? It's not a moronic.
Take it's not like. Everybody says that they want old things. It did we want the old days. You want to always come back whatever right and and he's just like if this happens, we're gon na be back to the old days, so a box in the corner for the youtube video.
You were reacting to that's how people skirted that policy, where they just didn't. Like them doing that back then, so i feel like if this trend continues. You're just watching full movie series, full tv shows and full seasons of anime twitch might just rip the condom off and say it's not worth it anymore, we're not taking this risk. We obviously can't trust our streamers to watch on the platform anymore, they're, just blatantly disregarding dmca laws, we're gon na pull the pull the plug on youtube and reaction content, because, as more companies get alerted to this, it could be more of a disaster for twitch.
They might just feel that it's better and safer for them to just not allow it again. It was frowned upon back in 2015, early twitch days, youtube as a streaming service already doesn't allow its streamers to watch youtube, but i think again also at the time, though, they were trying to very hard to push uh a twitch as a gaming. Only platform and they're trying really hard to be guys. We over here we do games whatever and now it's like the opposite, like expand on the irl and the the more wider scope of things.
So i think at the time it was only enforced because of numbers of laws um on the country it was. It was just because of uh, that's what they wanted to be represented as youtube content on there ludwig's been banned. Three, i wasn't on twitch in 2013, but brother mother brother, i was on justin tv and i cannot judge on tv. Okay, i was on oh neda tv.
Okay, until the end of the day went down, i even i even took dabs into azubu tv a little bit a zubu, okay and and until twitch was intimate and stabilized okay, i watched the streamers get scammed on that tv before twitch was a thing three times In a row, and i'm just gon na say i'm just gon na say i'm just saying: okay, i'm pretty sure the only the only reason why white twitch kind of went hardware and boom is on signed contracts with people or whatever uh contracts and and broadcasting deals With streamers - and they literally couldn't pay them out, they went bankrupt right because they were overly envisioned on it and then they just exploded bro for it. So the president's already there, where watching, youtube content on stream. Other people's streams is in a super, weird gray area and by these big streamers constantly poking this bear of like hey, we don't care about dmca. Look what we're doing it could be a much bigger problem for not just them, but everyone, because if twitch does go this route and get rid of reacting the content that hurts a lot more than just the top 20 biggest streamers. That's a big blow to like everyone who streams on a platform and does more than just gaming from time to time again, not saying that's gon na happen, but i could definitely see it as a possibility and she's, not the only one. That's just been watching full movies and tv shows on stream. It's become kind of the twitch meta at this point to just watch entire movies and anime. So this whole thing led to a bigger conversation of people asking how stupid are twitch streamers.
Just a lot of people online everywhere, just saying how dumb streamers are. This is something i think everyone saw coming. I don't believe, there's anyone in the world, that's surprised by this dmca here. I don't think anyone just shot back in their chair, just shocked and spilt apple juice, all over themselves, going hey.
What do you mean? I can't watch my favorite streamer watch the new spider-man movie that they downloaded on the pirate bay and stream on twitch. What what kind of is this? What happened to freedom? Obviously watching full movies tv show? Okay, guys in my video, because this actually sounds really correct right, because people that are going to watch the movie there are are not going to go. Watch them for themselves right. So it's very cannibis, like it's very, very damaging when things are new and recent and thriving yeah, it's really bad okay, but let me let i'm not justifying it.
I'm just like in the future, you'll see it's my production. This is my prediction for the future. Okay, my question: i i think companies will be much more inclined to try and see the possibilities of people watching on streaming, because it's something that is that is actually mutually beneficial. And if people don't go back and dig out the content at certain rates or whatever, and they wouldn't watch it regardless, they would rather watch me that they would rather watch something in some place with some people more than they would.
They would ever watch it on their own, they were sometimes they wouldn't. Even they would never. They would never watch something on their own right and they're, going to give it a try and they're going to watch it because they're watching it in a live, live party or a watch party right and then they might. They might interact with the product and it's new products coming out later on, so i think companies are going to explore that 100 and people that say that companies won't are completely delusional the amount. The ratio of of cannibalisticity. Of that of that of that, maneuver is like one percent: okay. Okay, if there's, let's say 10k of us in here: let's say: 10 000 and we go watch a video okay that some guy made okay, that guy's a hundred hundred subscribers and his videos. That's ten views and we go to it.
Okay, you guys say: oh my god, dude you're, stealing his view brother brother. The video has been uploaded 10 years ago and you got 10 views. Okay, it gets one view per two years, don't tell me, but that me watching it is like. Oh, my god, you're a young viewer that was gon na go watch his his video.
He was gon na, go watch it, but now he won't because he was on your stream, no dude. No, but by ratios these things can be healthy and it's gon na be pick and choose. But it will happen. So don't be don't be worried about those in anime is gon na get you in trouble on twitch.
You can't do that thinking otherwise is like believing in the tooth fairy or flat earth like there is very clearly a line of things you can and can't watch on twitch and watching the entire lord of the rings trilogy. What the you want for me, yikes! No, who the are you? Oh, my god, it's lily the joker. Why not just don't wreck the mca? Did you not listen earlier dude everything is dmca. Brother brother me doing this me doing that we're the mca.
This we're we're, always the mca. We are always the mca. Everything is dmca, stop stop sugarcoating vmca dude everything around us is dmca. Corrupted is definitely crossing that line.
I'd like to go ahead and quickly jump into the fair use debate and tackle that bad boy, because i see a lot of people defending this by saying: no, it's not if you play tarkov and you and you show your pov to your friend on this score. Do you show your pov to your friend one to one you're literally infringing dmca, literally, it falls into fair use. Fair use is a law, that's lost all meaning to people on the internet. It has been bastardized beyond recognition, yep yeah, you are it's their game.
It's their game, you're streaming their game, it's their content. You are, you are. You are broadcasting and you're distributing their content that they own to their rights? They own the game. Literally, you are legi that that's how it works, then, literally ignition fair use means less than the word literally now.
People use this for defense of everything, even when it's not applicable like in this case, you can't take like jake paul versus logan paul boxing match. You can't take that and put it on twitch, even if you're just commentating over the whole thing. You can't do that you may have paid for that map. This guy says this guy says it: oh dude dude. You can't look at the screen irl! No, neither wait! Good point: good point: no, you can't looking at the screen irl if somebody looks at it yeah, it's the same thing! What? If? What? If i make my screen bigger right and i open my doors and what, if i on the screen, i put the new spiderman on it and i get i get the whole neighborhood of the show with their chairs brother. That's what the that's! What that's? That's what the movie theater is you idiot? That's what the movie theater is. If i, if i make my screen, bigger and and i watch, then you spend my movie and i make the boys come over with their chairs and they're. Looking at it.
That's really a movie theater match, but you can't just freely broadcast it to people who can't no matter what you do to it to transform it. That is no longer fair use. Fair use is applicable when you're taking pieces of copyrighted content for critique for review for satire for parody. You can take pieces of it and showcase it for your points on the topic and transform it, but you can't just take the entire copy, all right, guys, hi guys, you guys guys, listen, listen instead of going to the drive-in or to the timmy theater um.
Are you guys like why i want to just pirate a movie that just came out? Okay, take a projector and project it on the side of your tv and have the whole membership with their cars and watch it clear? Surely nobody cares about this? You guys guys clearly clearly you're not infringing. This is very it's an okay thing to do to to distribute the content right on the project. You're literally doing a movie theater with no licensing, nothing in it. You're that's you're, you're you're interested like the entire avatar.
The last airbender show and freely broadcast the people that haven't paid for the service to watch it. That's not how that works. That's not protected by fair use like right now. The front page of twitch is kind of looking like the old artifacts section from a couple years ago, when that was basically just this.
Come dumpster for pirated movies and porn shows. Remember that artifact god rested soul used to be this place on twitch, where you just go and watch like the new avengers movie or watch porn with the chat. It was wild time, that's kind of evolved now and now we're reaching like its final evolution. Where now the biggest streamers on the platform are just watching, you know pirated content or just full movies and shows that they may have purchased and are now rebroadcasting for people that haven't, which is a problem.
So i'm not going to name any names, i'm not here to snitch, even though it's not like some kind of well-kept secret. This isn't something flying under the radar, because the top a lot of the top 20 biggest streamers on the site. What, if you don't? What? If you don't make money, it doesn't matter brother brother, if somebody's, not partner on twitch, most of them aren't even partnered they're, just broadcasting a bunch of they're, not making money off of ads off of subs they're. Making zero are the ones watching this anime and tv shows in their entirety. This isn't exactly something that's going on in dark alleys and talked about and hushed whispers there's like 40 000 people per stream watching the streamers watching anime. So it's not exactly like you have to go to deep web to find it. It's literally like on the front page sometimes, but even still, i'm not going to name any names here. I'm not here to raise my hand in front of the class and call somebody out for chewing gum or anything.
That's fine! Now it's no secret that i also watch a lot of youtube content on my twitch streams watch some clips from shows on my streams. In fact, last night i did a youtube night at twitch.tv, moist, critical baby. We got real wild last night. You definitely don't want to miss it again.
I'll, put a link in the description to the streams chat when i'm watching youtube on stream, it's usually really obscure. If you need to stop saying, oh you did you guys snitching? Is there snitching guys guys guys? What is the video getting 50k views or something other stuff like that? Snitching uh snitching on the stream right brother, whether streamers get millions of views over over the amount of eight or whatever hours, you're literally self, stitching by broadcasting publicly nobody's snitching it. Everybody is self snitching stop. You know we're snitching, i'm so tired of it.
Nobody is snitching, dude me being live right now. I'm self legiting brother stop pointing fingers. Do this. Instead, this this, that has like less than a thousand views filmed on a motorola razor or it's content that i'm pausing.
I stream messages up to 50 000 people, guys guys i uh i brilliant to 50 000 people, but you watched on your on your video. You said that i did it to 50 000, also you're snitching, to talk about in order to make what the is that, for example, when we watch the scary haunted cursed videos like nuke's top 5 ghost sightings that'll make your mother spit on you, because she's so Afraid of these videos, i'll pause, it talk about paranormal, garbage or joke about the video back and forth with the chat and usually just like to make it a transformative piece where it never really feels like i'm just rebroadcasting someone else's content. I just usually like to stay away from, like the big tv shows and like that, but now in the past i haven't you know. Like two years ago i used to watch a lot of masterchef, which has become the trend on twitch right now to watch masterchef.
I was doing that two years ago, baby. I was the pioneer, the god damn founder of masterchef. I made that goddamn show damn it so yeah back, then i would watch master master chef and and even recently, like a year ago, i was watching the yu-gi-oh singapore dub, which again is definitely in that gray area of is this dmca-ball and the answer was probably. Yes, it was an unofficial upload of the singapore yu-gi-oh dub that i was watching because i thought the singapore dub was great, since they only had like four voice actors to do the entire show, and they did it in english, where the translation was dreadfully wrong. Like blue eyes, white dragon was called like the blue, lizard, platinum, squirter or something it was a lot of fun, and i i did react to that content on twitch, but yeah. That was probably a dmca risk as well. So i've steered clear of that for the last year or so because yeah disaster skirt this gray area. That would lead to maybe a potentially bad situation for the whole platform.
But with this trend right now, the new twitch meta to be just broadcasting copyrighted material. There's a big problem that can arise from this and i'd like to get into it now so like with the youtube verse viacom case, yeah that very well. This is interesting with what's going on right now and who knows if it will or not. Maybe it really will just be people getting dmca for two days here and there if they continue to do it and that's where it ends, they wash their hands, but it never goes further.
Every streamer was losing their minds about the dmca because of music, where they'd have like copyrighted music that would play in the background and they get a strike or banned for it from years of content and people made such a big hublot about it like this is Unreal, this is so we we hate the dmca. We don't ever want to mess with them, we're so afraid of them, so everyone deleted all their clips and scrubbed their bods and now fast forward to today, where they're openly encouraging dmca to like enforce rules on the twitch platform against them. I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
This is a it's very similar to the viacom vs youtube case, but i also think twitch is in a worse spot than youtube was because twitch can't make the claim youtube did of they don't know whether or not the content being uploaded is paid for and licensed, Or if it is illegally uploaded to which knows all of it, that's on twitch right now he's illegal yeah. Let's be honest, though everybody says the mca: whenever it's something that they're not doing that they're not doing it, the others are doing it and they're being jelly. Then they're, like oh dude, you guys dmca enforcers enforce that, but none of me and not what i do enforce it, i'm demo what they're doing, but not on me guys, but not me! No brother dmc doesn't give you it's black and white. What did the it think it gets enforced? It goes hardcore, everybody gets slammed in it, yeah they're, jelly, jelly, jelly, full broadcasting of copyrighted material and they can't pretend they don't know. What's going on because it's the biggest streamers on the platform, that's doing it, and even in some of the streams twitch staff will literally subscribe and engage in a conversation about the anime. I've seen that in a couple streams now, which is it's fun and goofy. But it's also illegal, so twitch can't make the same. Claims youtube did back in 2007..
They know all of it is not licensed, because the streamers are very forthcoming with be with their honesty that we know this is dmca, but we don't care. They are openly saying we're just pushing it see how far this meta can go. It's obviously a very dangerous game to be playing. While i don't think twitch will ever see an automated copyright system like youtube implemented.
It will probably see something equally as strict. If i had to guess if this does continue, i would imagine twitch at some point will just outright ban the watching and reacting of other people's content on their platform. I think that's the most likely result of this problem continues or even escalates and as more companies get alerted to it, i feel like that's really. The only thing twitch would do that'd be their only course of action, because right now, the way it stands twitch just says we don't take responsibility for what they're broadcasting.
If you have a problem with it, you will manually, go and take it down and that's worked. So far, but that's because most streamers have understood not to just play movies and tv shows up until, like two weeks ago, that's just been the understanding streamers have had with twitch like hey. We know that you're giving us a lot of leeway with what we're allowed to watch on twitch. So we'll return the favor by being smart about what we're actually watching on stream and then the damn broke.
The floodgates have opened now, everything's being streamed on twitch by big streamers, partnered streamers, and that's a bad look for the platform. So, if their hand is forced, i feel like the direction that goes. They just ban watching youtube all together, like, for instance, during one of those youtuber boxing events. It got real guys guys you, you guys act like a give, a okay.
His act like like this is like a oh, my god. Okay, this is my. This is a game changer, guys guys. I i oh my god.
What am i gon na do with the stream guys if we can't do this anymore? Oh, my god, posted on twitter is kind of a nightmare for them, but they managed to get. I always say this: i like watching stuff, because i like it, i do i do because i like it because i love it. I don't want to be because i need it. That's the whole.
That's all different, though, let's get themselves out of that one again by saying like hey, we can't control everything here and back then the channels that were re-hosting that material, which was illegal. Those were small channels that were literally throwaway bot accounts, not your big partnered streamers. Now, if your big partnered streamers are doing this now, it's a lot more serious. That twitch has to be like hey we're going to probably need to do something, or else we might face bigger consequences. Who knows what happened? Chad guys? I guess i guess we'll. I guess i i guess we'll see what happens. It is again might not happen. You guys at this point check guys if all the pictures are all i'll quit watching stuff uh it it.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Um things will carry over every everybody. Every small medium will also doing it and until things rotate or whatever and then it'll be the same problem and same conclusion, it is it really doesn't matter, i'm just saying it could either way it's pretty. I guess that this is a pretty bad idea.
It is what it is i wanted. It would affect me i'm on twitch every day i stream every day i do youtube nights like once or twice a week and they're a lot of fun. I like to watch a lot of weird and wacky content and if something does come from this, that impacts that i'd be upset, so yeah just wanted to bring all this up. That's about it, we'll see what happens, what happens but foreign you.
IMO if broadcasting companies like Netflix and Disney add some kind of feature where ppl can join a watch party for a streamer. Everyone can watch their show or movie content that they all paid for with some kind of streamer sponsor. It’s not the best way, but it’s probably the most acceptable for the law, where everyone can get what they want in a way where all content and revenue is distributed evenly and fairly based on each streamers pull of viewers.
Games can be affected too. I watched Pewd’s let’s play of the first The Last Of Us and enjoyed the watch. But because of it, I had absolutely zero intention to buy the game after. I think it’s safe to say a good amount of the millions that watched felt the same. That’s a colossal loss of profit for Sony just through one content creator.
Felix I reckon is right, chat is fucking stupid. The internet is changing. Like Netflix used to be one of the main/solo streaming service right? All these companies see it taking off, and start copying them. Reactionary streaming, or group streaming a movie/tv series, is going to become more and more popular. I reckon it will take off…
Also, all the idiots that are arguing that you own the video game you buy, that is wrong, you don't own the game, you pay for a license to play the game. Read your fucking terms of service numskulls. Most gaming companies put in that you given the right to play the game, and that you can be banned for any reason, even no reason at all. Yeah we see most companies all good with people distributing gameplay, or even full gameplay walkthroughs, etc. because it's practically free advertising. Which is what Felix means, he means these tv shows and movies are getting advertised, and possibly could be bought/streamed by people by themselves or whatever.
xqc literally has nothing to say and knows he's wrong so he just roasts random chatters rather than commenting on what charlie is saying even though he's calling him out big time lmao
chat is so fucking brain damaged. any form of distribution of art is literally dmca. that's why you can't even display paintings unless you own them because that's what a fucking gallery does. same as cinemas and likewise radios. you need distribution contracts with the owners of any art to then distribute it.
Even if x says it now that it won’t matter that much if reacting to content would be prohibited, it would definitely have a huge impact on the stream.
Sorry for our juicer felix hes just a very very dumb pepega, he just accidentally watched MasterChef we won't do that again. Monkalaugh 👍 all good right?
his take on the companies venturing into streamers watching their old content being okay is pretty spot on. I believe will be true too. For example Master Chef, NEVER would've watched it. never would've been interested in it until X started watching it. Then I enjoyed it and I would totally watch future seasons on my own.
Someone gets banned for stealing content, someone makes a content video about that person getting ban for stealing content, X steals the content of the content video made about the content stealing for content. Love this man!
I'm kind of an xqc take connoisseur myself but the takes on this video are literally negative degrees Fahrenheit IQ bro
Reaction content shouldn't be allowed atleast reacting to shows. Its literally the definition of boring content. Why would I bother to watch xqc watch a show when I could just watch it. God twitch streamers need to do something different. Atleast make the reacting fun like penquinz0 does
X literally just argues against strohman arguments. He defends reaction content by pointing out some 10 year old video wasn't being watched anyways, sure but noone said anything regarding that.
Companies will only do stuff like promotional show watching if you watch like the first episode like some other streamers have done I believe, not the whole season of fucking master chef. What kind of 10iq argument is that. The whole point behind sponsored game streams is that when you play a game yourself it is vastly different from watching someone play it, new experiences etc. Why would I watch master chef after watching it on x's stream, when he watches all the seasons there are
Also him saying that streaming tarkov to your friend is DMCA, most games are ok with streaming it as said before, that is why streamers are paid to stream shit. Lastly, dmca isn't for stuff like that, it is mostly when you do it for profit, for example, streaming master chef to 100k people….
PepeLaugh watching hxh. Xqc gonna join the club
Also "nobody is snitching"
I literally snitched to madhouse about hxh though.
Is it really a ban if it is only 2 days?
I'm pretty sure most people call that a suspension
To Pokimane it is just free publicly and a reason to take a few days to enjoy life
Not that I really care about the whole Pokimane situation to be honest. What they did to Doc was a ban. What they did to Pokimane was a favor. Calling it a ban is lying.